Aug 13-05
Jehovah's Witnesses reach out to all
San Antonio Express (subscription), TX
"Nine times out of 10 they (people) are ignorant as to what our beliefs are ,"..
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DannyHaszard
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Very few know even the basic doctrines of the Witnesses
by joelbear inafter 131 years of preaching around the world.
its a losing battle.
there are fewer people today in the us that know witness doctrine or what witnesses would call "the good news of the kingdom".
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Because They Treat People Like Sh*t!
by metatron insorry about that title.
i rarely use such language - except when it makes a point that needs emphasis - and this one does.. .
i have run into 3 witnesses in the past couple of days.
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DannyHaszard
Thats it ! it's all about the RELATION-S**TS
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JW's are they really a cult?
by Evanescence inmany people would say they are a cult, what are your reasons for thinking they are a cult?.
a created a thread a while ago on an idea of what a cult is http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/96309/1.ashx.
do you think it is the jehovah's witnesses as a whole a cult?
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Faith based belief systems fall mostly into 3 categories:
1."mainstream" mostly benevolent in my observation i.e. you go to services once a week socialize
2.the "sects" sort of on the fringes
3. the CULTS destructive, high demand,high control often apocalyptic
How are cults destructive? they destroy A). identity B). sanity C). bank account
The above is my opinion.What does the Bible (Jesus) say?Jesus tells us how to determine the malevolence/benevolence
Matthew 7:15-16 "be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inside they are ravenous wolves"by their FRUITS you will know them"
The fruitage of the Watchtower it is rotten to the core!
-------------------- Remember-You just can't fool all the people all the time,you can only fool all of the people some of the time,or some of the people all of the time.Danny Haszard Bangor Maine
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JW's are they really a cult?
by Evanescence inmany people would say they are a cult, what are your reasons for thinking they are a cult?.
a created a thread a while ago on an idea of what a cult is http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/96309/1.ashx.
do you think it is the jehovah's witnesses as a whole a cult?
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Danny Haszard has 40,000 pages up so i have experience and 33 years 3rd generation exjw.This partial excerpt below is from yesterdays news forum regarding "Prince" and his needed hip replacement surgery with/without a blood transfusion.
It is uncanny that this person Maurice sounds exactly like my deceased JW maternal grandmother or my own JW father, the infective arrogance among them all is scary.
Danny Haszard Oct 13th, 2005 - 10:48:05 AM I hope all goes well with Prince he should reject the Jehovah's Witnesses bogus no blood transfusion ban,and have normal surgery.
Best wishes to you Prince get well soon-Danny Haszard Bangor Maine USA------------------------------------
Maurice [JW] Oct 13th, 2005 - 01:53:48 PM Hopefully every thing will be ok. It is a shame that idiots like the above so easily spit on another person's dearly cherished religious beliefs. In such a world of tension and stress, we need to keep our radical personal views about another person's choice of religion to ourselves! Why is there so much intolerance in the world? Why so much violence? Because people want to push their views on someone else.
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JW's are they really a cult?
by Evanescence inmany people would say they are a cult, what are your reasons for thinking they are a cult?.
a created a thread a while ago on an idea of what a cult is http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/96309/1.ashx.
do you think it is the jehovah's witnesses as a whole a cult?
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DannyHaszard
Is it a (harmless) culture or (harmful) cult?
Common Properties of Potentially Destructive and Dangerous Cults
-The cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes and roles.
-The cult's leaders tend to be charismatic, determined, and domineering. They persuade followers to drop their families, jobs, careers, and friends to follow them. They (not the individual) then take over control of their followers' possessions, money, lives.
-The cult's leaders are self-appointed, messianic persons who claim to have a special mission in life.
-The cult's leaders center the veneration of members upon themselves.
-The cult tends to be totalitarian in its control of the behavior of its members.
-The cult tends to have a double set of ethics. Members are urged to be open and honest within the group, and confess all to the leaders. On the other hand, they are encouraged to deceive and manipulate outsiders or nonmembers.
-The cult has basically only two purposes, recruiting new members and fund-raising. Established religions and altruistic movements may also recruit and raise funds. The cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality these remain mere claims, or gestures. Their focus is always dominated by recruiting new members and fund-raising.
-The cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the only viable system for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. While claiming this, the cult then surreptitiously uses systems of psychological coercion on its members to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult. ------------- Poet and writer Mark Twain sez: "if a million people believe in a stupid thing for a hundred years,it's STILL a stupid thing".
The stats out there suggest that your risk of being inducted into a destructive cult are TWICE the statistical risk of contracting chicken pox
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JW's are they really a cult?
by Evanescence inmany people would say they are a cult, what are your reasons for thinking they are a cult?.
a created a thread a while ago on an idea of what a cult is http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/96309/1.ashx.
do you think it is the jehovah's witnesses as a whole a cult?
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DannyHaszard
Eight Marks of a deadly Mind Control Cult applied to Jehovah's Witnesses Eight Marks of a Mind-Control Cult
by Randall Watters
Brainwashing has become almost a household word in the last two decades or so. In 1961, Robert J. Lifton wrote the definitive book on the subject, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, after studying the effects of mind control on American prisoners of war under the Communist Chinese. Lifton outlines eight major factors that can be used to identify whether a group is a destructive cult or not. Any authoritarian religion should be held up to the light in order to determine just how destructive their influence is on their members. Judge for yourselves.
Milieu Control
"Milieu" is a French word meaning "surroundings; environment." Cults are able to control the environment around their recruits in a number of ways, but almost always using a form of isolation. Recruits can be physically separated from society, or they can be warned under threat of punishment to stay away from the world's educational media, especially when it might provoke critical thinking. Any books, movies or testimonies of ex-members of the group, or even anyone critical of the group in any way are to be avoided.
Information is carefully kept on each recruit by the mother organization. All are watched, lest they fall behind or get too far ahead of the thinking of the organization. Because it appears that the organization knows so much about everything and everyone, they appear omniscient in the eyes of the recruits.
Mystical Manipulation
In religious cults, God is ever-present in the workings of the organization. If a person leaves for any reason, accidents or ill-will that may befall them are always attributed to God's punishment on them. For the faithful, the angels are always said to be working, and stories circulate about how God is truly doing marvelous things among them, because they are "the truth." The organization is therefore given a certain "mystique" that is quite alluring to the new recruit.
Demand for Purity
The world is depicted as black and white, with little room for making personal decisions based on a trained conscience. One's conduct is modeled after the ideology of the group, as taught in its literature. People and organizations are pictured as either good or evil, depending on their relationship to the cult.
Universal tendencies of guilt and shame are used to control individuals, even after they leave. There is great difficulty in understanding the complexities of human morality, since everything is polarized and oversimplified. All things classified as evil are to be avoided, and purity is attainable through immersion into the cult's ideology.
The Cult of Confession
Serious sins (as defined by the organization) are to be confessed immediately. The members are to be reported if found walking contrary to the rules.
There is often a tendency to derive pleasure from self-degradation through confession. This occurs when all must confess their sins before each other regularly, creating an intense kind of "oneness" within the group. It also allows leaders from within to exercise authority over the weaker ones, using their "sins" as a whip to lead them on.
The "Sacred Science"
The cult's ideology becomes the ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence. The ideology is too "sacred" to call into question, and a reverence is demanded for the leadership. The cult's ideology makes an exaggerated claim for possessing airtight logic, making it appear as absolute truth with no contradictions. Such an attractive system offers security.
Loading the Language
Lifton explains the prolific use of "thought-terminating cliches," expressions or words that are designed to end the conversation or controversy. We are all familiar with the use of the cliches "capitalist" and "imperialist," as used by antiwar demonstrators in the 60's. Such cliches are easily memorized and readily expressed. They are called the "language of non-thought," since the discussion is terminated, not allowing further consideration.
In the Watchtower, for instance, expressions such as "the truth", the "mother organization", the "new system", "apostates" and "worldly" carry with them a judgment on outsiders, leaving them unworthy of further consideration.
Doctrine Over Person
Human experience is subordinated to doctrine, no matter how profound or contradictory such experiences seem. The history of the cult is altered to fit their doctrinal logic. The person is only valuable insomuch as they conform to the role models of the cult. Commonsense perceptions are disregarded if they are hostile to the cult's ideology.
Dispensing of Existence
The cult decides who has the "right" to exist and who does not. They decide who will perish in the final battle of good over evil. The leaders decide which history books are accurate and which are biased. Families can be cut off and outsiders can be deceived, for they are not fit to exist!
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No blood dub PRINCE 'HIP OP'
by DannyHaszard inprince facing hip op
contactmusic - 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
pop superstar prince is facing painful hip surgery to help him cope with discomfort brought on by years of performing in high-heeled boots.
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Prince the fanatic {the Tom Cruise of Dubland} Prince, the hip op star
Daily Mail - UK, UK - 2 hours ago
... walk.". Prince, a Jehovah's Witness, is thought to be against having surgery because the religion does not allow blood transfusions. ...Prince: Creaking joints At A mere 5ft 3in, Prince has always relied on the highest of heels to give him a lift.
But his penchant for platforms could have stacked the odds against him. At 47, he has been told he needs a hip replacement.
The singer believes years of strutting on stage (and energetic dance routines) have taken a toll on his joints.
"He used to wear high-heeled boots every day and doctors told him that may have contributed to his condition," a source told U.S. magazine the National Enquirer.
"Over the years he has battered his body so much that his joints, especially his hips, are causing him a lot of discomfort."
The singer has been told that only a full hip replacement will alleviate the pain and ensure he can keep dancing.
"Over time his condition will get worse and he'll have to have the surgery," another source told the magazine. "He's causing more damage by continuing to walk."
Prince, a Jehovah's Witness, is thought to be against having surgery because the religion does not allow blood transfusions.
He has been prescribed antiinflammatory drugs to help him cope with the condition.
He and his wife Manuela married in a Jehovah's Witness ceremony in Hawaii on New Year's Eve 2001. A year later, they were formally baptised into their faith in a private ceremony in Minnesota.
Prince's career spans 30 years and includes the hit albums Purple Rain, Diamonds and Pearls and Musicology.
In 2000, he adopted a symbol as his name and insisted on being referred to as The Artist Formerly Known As Prince in a bizarre act of rebellion against his record company.
As a Jehovah's Witness he has joined the faith's recruiting ranks, knocking on doors to spread the word.
In a recent TV interview in the U.S. he refused to answer any questions not about the faith.
"Jesus is more important than anything," he declared. "If we can focus on that, all of us, this chaos will cease ."
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No blood dub PRINCE 'HIP OP'
by DannyHaszard inprince facing hip op
contactmusic - 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
pop superstar prince is facing painful hip surgery to help him cope with discomfort brought on by years of performing in high-heeled boots.
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Accidental kerb fall led to death
ic CheshireOnline, UK - 2 hours ago
... had low blood pressure. But he refused a blood transfusion, saying he had become a Jehovah's Witness. His condition stabilised in ... Accidental kerb fall led to deathOct 13 2005 By Adrian Short, Weekly News A MAN who suffered rare and complex bone fractures when falling over a kerb after a night out drinking died from blood clots arising from his injuries, an inquest heard. Clifford Jones, 64, a retired lorry driver of Bellhouse Lane, Widnes, died on June 5, 2004, two days after being admitted to Whiston Hospital.
On June 3, Mr Jones had drunk four or five pints of bitter in the Millfield pub in Widnes, and was later found injured on the pavement on William Street.
Witness Maurice Broom, a friend, said Mr Jones didn't know what had happened but begged him to help him up. He sat him up, 'rolled him a fag' and an ambulance arrived within 20 minutes
Police were satisfied Mr Jones had fallen over, despite him telling a nurse he was the victim of a hit-and-run driver.
A paramedic knew he had broken hips because his legs were 'at a funny angle'.
He underwent 'dynamic hip screw surgery' after it was found that he had suffered a rare bilateral fracture of the hips which had left bone fragments at the injury site.
Following the operation Mr Jones was confused and disorientated and had low blood pressure.
But he refused a blood transfusion, saying he had become a Jehovah's Witness.
His condition stabilised in intensive care but he soon developed multiple organ failure and died.
A post-mortem examination found nothing to suggest Mr Jones had been struck by a vehicle.
The pathologist said he was believed to be a heavy drinker but there was no alcohol-related pathology to be found.
However, there was clear evidence that he had suffered a 'shower of fat emboli', blockages in the circulatory system, which proved lethal.
During psychiatric assessment he was behaving abnormally, shifting in bed, reaching into the air and mumbling to himself. Soon after he had a heart attack.
Cheshire coroner Mr Nicholas Rheinberg recorded a narrative verdict.
He said: 'Mr Jones accidentally fell and sustained bilateral fracture of the femur - as a result of the fractures and the necessary surgery, he suffered a fat emboli, the major cause of death with unreplaced blood loss as a contributory factor.'
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No Children
by joelbear inmy mother made an interesting observation this morning.
she said there were not as many kids in the congos as there used to be.
lots of single sisters but not many single brothers to marry.. if true and widespread, this could create a huge sociological shift in the make up of witness congos.
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DannyHaszard
I was born JW 1957 left 1992 still a virgin at 33 y.o. had a hidden medical disability (brutal ulcerative colitis colostomy bag impotence risk) i was also a good looking guy with a body like a male stripper.I was eaten alive by dog-eat-dog brothers eaten up with f**ing jealousy cause i was single.
Give me a break man!
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No blood dub PRINCE 'HIP OP'
by DannyHaszard inprince facing hip op
contactmusic - 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
pop superstar prince is facing painful hip surgery to help him cope with discomfort brought on by years of performing in high-heeled boots.
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PRINCE FACING HIP OP
ContactMusic - 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Pop superstar PRINCE is facing painful hip surgery to help him cope with discomfort brought on by years of performing in high-heeled boots.
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Pop superstar Prince
is facing painful hip surgery to help him cope with discomfort brought on by years of performing in high-heeled boots.The pint-sized WHEN DOVES CRY singer is thinking twice about a full hip replacement, according to sources close to him, because, as a Jehovah's Witness he's against the blood transfusion part of the operation.
The 47-year-old star is on medication as he attempts to battle the pain of his bad joints, according to US tabloid National Enquirer
