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  Are "you all" morons OR am I the moron?

  by Victoria Cruz in

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  from what i understand the wtbts is not affiliated with the un but the dpi (department of public information).

  if i am right... you all are the morons.

  if i am wrong the i am the moron.

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  Cassiline

  LMFAO@Dung TFF.........................

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  Are "you all" morons OR am I the moron?

  by Victoria Cruz in

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  from what i understand the wtbts is not affiliated with the un but the dpi (department of public information).

  if i am right... you all are the morons.

  if i am wrong the i am the moron.

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  Cassiline

  Victoria, you sure do know how to make friends and influence people.

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  Scan of Guardian JW/UN Article 8 Oct 2001

  by Simon in

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  thanks to anglise for sending me the scan.... .

  high quality scan downloadable: http://www.intesoft.co.uk/images/20011008theguardian.zip

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  Cassiline

  Tried again to download and when I unzip it it says 'can't determine type' What am I doing wrong???
  Call me ComputerIllerateCassiline!

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  Scan of Guardian JW/UN Article 8 Oct 2001

  by Simon in

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  thanks to anglise for sending me the scan.... .

  high quality scan downloadable: http://www.intesoft.co.uk/images/20011008theguardian.zip

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  Cassiline

  AHHH nix that Simon, Im wrong it did not download properly.
  Sorry............ Thanks

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  Scan of Guardian JW/UN Article 8 Oct 2001

  by Simon in

  1. jw
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  thanks to anglise for sending me the scan.... .

  high quality scan downloadable: http://www.intesoft.co.uk/images/20011008theguardian.zip

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  Cassiline

  Hi Simon,
  Its downloading now. Seems to be working fine.
  Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  HELP

  by Kophagangelos in

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  i need the aid!

  since today the elder knows that i am in the website of apostates often.

  they want to visit me.

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  Cassiline

  Koph,
  Another place for letters of dissociation. wwww.beyondjw.com

  Writing a Letter
  of Disassociation
  By Timothy Campbell

  This article may be freely distributed
  as long as no text is altered or deleted.
  
  Introduction
  If you're ready to leave the Witnesses, you may wish to make it "official" by writing a "Letter of Disassociation". This is a formal procedure which has been used by countless people who no longer want to be identified as Jehovah's Witnesses.
  
  Pros and Cons
  Whether you write the letter or not is up to you, but you may wish to consider some of the various arguments for and against:
  
  Pro

  Writing the letter will give you a feeling of release. It can be considered a ritual of separation.
  You can put your precise reasons for leaving in writing, which helps organize your thoughts and thus helps you stand firm if your reasons are questioned.
  Researching the letter enables you to confirm your decision.
  In later years, you can look back at the letter and review your reasons for leaving.
  The letter ensures that everybody in the congregation will know that you have deliberately left and didn't just disappear.
  
  Con

  Some people view the letter as a requirement of the Society, for the Society's benefit. They see no reason why they must submit a piece of paper to get out of something they were doing voluntarily. (Note: Watchtower Sept. 15 1981, Page 23, also recognizes disassociation "by action")
  As far as I know, the Society has never answered any of the issues raised in a Letter of Disassociation; the congregation is only required to forward Watchtower Forms S-77 and S79 so the Society can update their files.
  If you mail your letter to the congregation, it is extremely unlikely that anyone will see it except a few Elders, whose faith in the Society is sufficiently strong that they will be able to forget about the matters you have addressed.
  The substance of your letter will not be read to the congregation, but they will be informed that you have "fallen away" and should be avoided.
  According to the Elders' guide, "Those who disassociate themselves should be viewed and treated the same as disfellowshipped persons." Some people may wish to delay this kind of treatment for as long as possible.
  
  Apart from the points raised above, you can probably think of other "Pros and Cons". Leaving one's religion is not a decision taken lightly, and neither is one's choice of how to leave.
  
  Suggested Procedure
  If after weighing the alternatives, you decide that you want to write a Letter of Disassociation, here is an example of the steps you could take...

  Carry a notepad around with you for a few days. Whenever you remember something about the Witnesses that bothers you, jot it down. You can look up the references later.

  During this time, you can get the mail addresses of any Witnesses you particularly like. Tell them you're updating your list of friends to include their addresses (always a good idea!). While you're at it, you can also check to make sure your list has the right phone numbers. (The reason for making this address list will be become evident later.)

  After a week, when your notes are done, you may wish to compare them with some of the resources available to ex-Witnesses (books, web sites, articles), to see you missed anything. Jot down the subjects that are important to you, along with the relevant references. It is best not to write down the precise wording, though. This is your letter and you will feel better about if it is written entirely in your own voice.

  Organize your notes into logical order. Here is a sample outline:

  Formal statement of disassociation.

  A brief history of your introduction to the Witnesses and your positive impressions -- you've surely had some!

  A discussion of "major issues" that forced you to disassociate. This part can be grouped by related topics, such as "Doctrinal", "Personal", "Social", "Organizational" and so on.

  An explicit list of requests (e.g. "Don't do follow-up calls", "Don't try to shepherd my children"). If you have no specific requests, you can leave this part out.

  Conclusion. (e.g. wish them well on their quest to find meaning, and assure them that you are pleased to have made your decision to broaden your search for truth).

  At this point, you should proof-read your letter. It's a good idea to remove any "cranky" bits (e.g. calling them names, suggesting that they're the spawn of Satan etc.). You don't have to down-play any personal pain you've suffered, but if you sound bitter you only "prove" to them that you're not sure of your decision, or that it was not made rationally. Bear in mind that your letter will be read very critically, so clarity is important.

  If possible, get a neutral party (a friend, relative or associate) to proof-read your letter and make suggestions.

  It's highly unlikely that the Elders will let the congregation see your letter, so the day before sending it to the Elders, make copies and mail them to your Witness friends. Include a cover letter saying that you wanted them to know about an important decision in your life. You should also say that only certain special friends are receiving a copy of the letter, and that the list of recipients is strictly private. (This will reassure them that they won't get called before a committee for having read your letter.)

  Submit the letter to the Elders. If you feel so motivated, you can also mail a copy to the Watchtower Society. There is reason to believe that these letters are kept on file, although you will almost certainly not get a reply.

  If the Elders contact you again to "help", make sure that they focus on the specific issues of the letter. If they DO visit, it is likely that they will try to engage your enthusiasm for the organization and its promises, rather than particular issues. (This is not a pecular feature of the Society. In cases like these, most people will avoid difficult issues and deal with generalities if they can't address the specifics.)
  
  The steps above are only suggestions. As the author of this article, I feel compelled to mention that I have not written a Letter of Disassociation, but I have helped several people with theirs.

  In my case, I did not feel that a Letter of Disassociation was necessary, as I "drifted away" without anybody noticing. Your case may be different.

  The important distinction is that now you are making your decisions. The Society can only tell you what to do if you grant them that right -- and apparently you have decided that you can live without their version of the truth.

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  Raymond Franz Never A Member of GB/Fathers Email

  by ladonna in

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  yep, that's right!!.

  i called my mother tonight to say a friendly hello.

  you guessed it.

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  Ladonna,
  I know that words alone can not heal a heart that has been broken. I write this now with tears of pain and anger in my eyes. I am sorry that your father wrote things so vial. It hurts me to read the letter I cant imagine what it must have done to you. My heart and hand goes out to you. I always have cried because I have no family. After reading that I dont want family, not like that.
  Healing Hugs to you,

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  Bizarre Urban Myth...have you heard it?

  by Preston in

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  i remember a couple of years ago when i was out in field service i heard a story (haven't we all) about a district convention in california where the speaker was invited to give a talk, and as he was standing before the platform, he unexpectedly began to tell a slurry of sex jokes, profanities, and stories about his sex life.

  everyone in attendance was shocked, and after he was removed from speaking, an elder had to inform the audience that what happened was completely unexpected and uncalled for.

  being that i was a jw at the time i had no use for critical thinking, so i thought every word of it was true.

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  Hey Xena ((((((((((HUGS TO YOU)))))))))))
  Really the Sister Payne in the rear is not an urban legend, for I was there when it happened. Anyway wanted to say hello to you since I still havent answered your e-mail...... I think you already know what I was going to say..... if not I promise to let you know ASAP. See ya later.
  Love ya

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  New JW Song Titles- Post 'em here!

  by TR in

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  lisa gave me the idea for this topic.. so, what are your ideas for some catchy song titles?

  any genre will do.

  1. i got mauled at the kingdom hall.

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  Cassiline

  This thread needs to be sent to the Music Hall of Fame.
  TR, Stephanus............ I'm laughing so hard I cant type.
  Thanks TR for starting the thread and Lisa for the idea.
  TFF ROTFFLMFAO

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  Jon passed away this morning

  by jonjonsimons in

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  my name is kevin and i am jon's partner.

  jon gave me his password a few weeks ago and asked me to post to the board if something happened to him.

  as some of you know jon had been undergoing cancer treatment since the end of july.

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  Cassiline

  Kevin I am sorry to hear about Jons passing. I did not know him, but with what everyone has writtten about him here he sounded like a wonderful person.
  My thoughts are with you. Below a poem which I find brings peace to my troubled heart and perhaps yours.
  {{{{{{{KEVIN}}}}}}}}}}

  Do not stand at my grave and weep
  I am not there. I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow.
  I am the diamond glints on snow. I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
  I am the gentle autumn rain. When you awaken in the morning's hush
  I am the swift uplifting rush. Of quiet birds in circled flight.
  I am the soft stars that shine at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry;
  I am not there. I did not die.

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.