D8TA Be careful with that Light Saber!!!! Wouldent want to see a Boba Fett "Bobbit" accident occur.
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
D8TA Be careful with that Light Saber!!!! Wouldent want to see a Boba Fett "Bobbit" accident occur.
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
i did a search on bill bowens postings in this forum.
very interesting.
revealing!.
Psychdigg your comments in quotes,
“Parents have an obligation to keep an eye on their kids. Are the methods of child molesters some hidden secret? “
How naive are you? That you continue to repeat over and over IT IS the parent’s responsibility? Let me ask you a question what about the children WHO ARE being raped by their fathers and mothers in the JW religion?
A father that so viciously rapes his child from a tender age till that child becomes numb and can’t function in the society, as we know it today. A child who is terrified to speak out, afraid of reprisals, knowing the swift hand and harsh treatment that will ensue IF she says a word. A child who has been programmed not only by her father but the JW’s as well. A child who cries in the night and fantasizes of far away places, hoping that her fairy God mother will come and give her slippers, not glass ones but one that will carry her far away from the pain and humiliation.
So what say you when a parent is the pedophile? Go to the Elders, tell them of her pain and be told NOTHING can be done because there are NOT 2 witnesses? And if the allegations are repeated, that young girl will be charged with slander if she speaks out? So that leaves out police, school authorities etc. Do you believe after that child returns home after the fateful meeting with the Elders to report the abuse all will continue as before? NO it does not because the Elders tell her “elder” father. He becomes enraged and the abuse takes on a new form one so vile and filled with hatred and unspeakable acts the child slips away more into her “world” the only world that is free from pain.
Then you go on to ask are the methods of child molester’s secret? Take the above referenced child, a woman now with 2 beautiful children of her own. This woman explicitly and repeatedly tells her little ones, Never, Never let ANYONE touch you in a bad manner. Explains what good touch and bad touch are assures the children Mommy is here come to me if ANYONE EVER does anything that feels uncomfortable to you. She thought she covered all the bases with her 2 small angels. She knows the signs she experienced them first hand. BUT what she failed to recognize is pedophiles work in so many manners that she did not say all she could. Did not warn enough. She now hates herself for failing her little ones.
What Psychdigg of the molester that tells your little one that they will kill their mommy and their kitty if they repeat what he has done to them.
Psychdigg,
“There should be at least one chapter in the Young People Ask book about resisting the sneaky approaches of molesters.’
Molesters are cunning and in Every place imaginable. Yes Psychdigg molesters ways are secret and malevolent. No matter how much you prepare a child no matter what you say they can find a small crack and break into your world shattering all that you once held precious and create pain so great that one may feel they never be released from its grip.
Psychdigg,
“Combine that with problems of false memory and the hysteria that surrounds this issue and I would say that there is no permanent policy in place anywhere that is 100% adequate.”
Psychdigg,
“Our animal and even early human ancestors thought nothing of grabbing siblings or any female in the troop that smelled like she was ripe irrespective of age.”
With this comment Psychdigg are you implying that molesting is okay because YOU claim that it’s a human trait? Something that follows us into the present? Something that is degrading to all children was accepted in the past so “oh well” one is going to have to deal with it today? Ok deal with it, REPORT any and all accusations of child abuse to authorities. Forget about a 2-witness rule and let “Caesars” laws have a stab at the accused molester. I do agree with one of your points about mass hysteria looking at the McMartian(SP) Daycare Case. BUT things have changed because of that very case interviewing techniques have changed and are under a magnifying glass so to speak. SO one may not “coach” or leave false memories. It has advanced to the point that if parent coaching was involved it is usually quite apparent.
Psychdigg,
“You never hear of the many cases the JW's have handled that turned out well. That's the nature of the situation. “
The nature of the situation Psychdigg is that the JW’s have a closed, close knit “family” that does not allow for one to hear if a Molesters case has turned out “well”. What is your opinion would be a case that turned out well? Are you aware of the rate of recidivism with pedophiles?
Psychdigg,
“One thing is sure. No Bill Bowen is going to impose HIS policy on the organization.”
Psychdigg,
“Who are you to determine what is a good policy. Your policy is simply one of shifting the process to public professionals. This is not a guarantee of "good" management of the situation. Each parent needs to decide what is best for THEIR child”.
What Bill is simply trying to do is change an antiquated law i.e., 2-witneses and keeping the congregations silent about who has confessed to molestation so one knows when a pedophile is in their presence IMO and allow all accusations of molestations to be heard.
Megans Law allows that all molesters register so that one may be aware of their children’s acquaintances, friends etc. I ask you Psychdigg why do you think that this law was passed? My belief is that pedophiles are mysterious in their ways and cunning to the point that you Psychdigg may very well be on good terms with someone who may whittle their way into your life or perhaps a friends life and destroy all that may be precious to you without your even having the slightest inclination that it is or has happened until its too late.
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
even in my small "bfe" town.
thanks for giving a voice to silentlambs everywhere!!!.
http://members.aol.com/cassilines/myhomepage/witnesses4.jpg?mtbrand=aol_us.
In the below video, copyrighted by the WTBTS, there were these quotes,
First quote from video below,
"No religious denomination contacted have ever considered what some Jehovah's Witnesses are demanding for their church; that congregations be told of pedophiles in their midst."
The Courier Journal, Louisville, KY, Feb 1, 2001.
This is udder BS! I can attest to the FACT when my children and others were molested in a Episcopalian Church, the Right Reverend Richard May did in FACT tell parishioners about the suspected abuse prior to trial.
Second quote from video below,
"The policy that Jehovah's Witnesses have on how to handle child molestation is without equal in the religious community."
Mr Brumley.
It is without equal IMO, at least the Catholic Church is trying, albeit late, to remove the offending pedophiles. While the WTBTS is hiding behind smoke and mirrors and protecting pedophiles.
http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/7163532856.htm
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
even in my small "bfe" town.
thanks for giving a voice to silentlambs everywhere!!!.
http://members.aol.com/cassilines/myhomepage/witnesses4.jpg?mtbrand=aol_us.
hey grunt, are you close to "my neck of the woods?"
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
even in my small "bfe" town.
thanks for giving a voice to silentlambs everywhere!!!.
http://members.aol.com/cassilines/myhomepage/witnesses4.jpg?mtbrand=aol_us.
{{{{{{{sKally}}}}}}}
Doin OK. Still haven't found all the information I was looking for. But will continue searching. Would like to meet in chat soon. Looking foward to hearing from you.
Kenneson, they have to be in those big city papers soon since it was in my small town already. Keep looking and pass them on.
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
i've been gone a while and just wanted to say hi and i'm still alive.
things are kind of bad now, but i'll be back for good soon.
special hello to cowboy and xena.
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So glad to hear from you. Have missed you and your wicked sense of humor. You have my number, call if you need anything.
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
even in my small "bfe" town.
thanks for giving a voice to silentlambs everywhere!!!.
http://members.aol.com/cassilines/myhomepage/witnesses4.jpg?mtbrand=aol_us.
even in my small "BFE" town. Thanks for giving a voice to silentlambs everywhere!!!
http://members.aol.com/cassilines/myhomepage/witnesses4.jpg?mtbrand=AOL_US
edited to appologize for my poor scanning capabilities!!!
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
i am posting this in "friends" so that more of you will see it.
i have emailed many of you in the past and yesterday my wife opened a virus on my p.c.
and it sent itself to everyone i have ever emailed from this computer.
Apostste Man,
please tell me how to go back a week? I would rather do that then a manual removal and patches.
Thanks....
Also it dosn't matter who you e-mailed, its everyone in everyones address book it attached to. I recieved it from someone I have never corrosponded with before, thinking that thay wished to ask me questions, a nice person on this board so I did not think twice about opening it.
WORM_KLEZ.H
Risk rating:
Virus type: Worm
Destructive: Yes
Aliases:
W32/Klez-G, I-Worm.Klez.h, I-Worm.W32/Klez.gen@MM, W32.Klez.H@mm
Description:
This memory-resident variant of the WORM_KLEZ.A mass-mailing worm uses SMTP to propagate via email. The subject line of the email it arrives with is randomly selected from a list of possible choices. See Tech Details for more information.
Upon execution, it drops files and creates an entry in the AutoRun key of the system registry and then infects EXE files. It encrypts (compresses) its target files and then modifies the file extension of these with a random name. It also sets the attributes of its encrypted files to Read-only, Hidden, System, and Archive. Thereafter, this worm copies itself to the original filename of the infected file.
This worm makes sure that its filesize is the same as that of the infected file. To do this, it pads garbage data at the end of the infected file. It does not perform its Antivirus Retaliation routine on machines running Windows NT 4.0 or lower. Windows NT 4.0 or lower do not have system functions or the Application Program Interface (API) that this worm uses to kill antivirus-related processes.
Solution:
Automatic Removal Instructions
Please download and run the fix tool.
Trend Micro requests that all users download and read the readme text before using this tool.
Manual Removal Instructions
For Windows 95 systems:
Restart your computer.
Press the F8 key when you see the message, "Starting Windows 95."
For Windows 98/Me systems:
Restart your computer.
Press the Ctrl key until your Windows 98 startup menu appears.
Choose the Safe Mode option then hit the Enter key.
For Windows XP systems:
Restart your computer.
When prompted, press the F8 key. If Windows XP Professional starts without the “Press select operating system to start” menu, restart your computer.
Press F8 again after the Power-On Self Test is done.
Choose the Safe Mode option from the Windows Advanced Options Menu.
For Windows 2000 systems:
Restart your computer.
Press the F8 key, when you see the Starting Windows bar at the bottom of the screen.
Choose the Safe Mode option from the Windows 2000 Advanced Options Menu.
Scan your system with Trend Micro antivirus and write down the filenames of all files detected as WORM_KLEZ.H. These infected files may be WINK*.EXE files. * is a random number of characters.
Click Start>Run, type Regedit then hit the Enter key.
In the left panel, double click the following:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>Software>Microsoft>Windows
>CurrentVersion>Run
In the right panel, look for and then delete these registry values. * is any random characters:
”Wink*” = ”%System%\Wink*.exe”
”WQK” = “%System%\Wqk.exe”
In the left panel, double click the following:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>System>CurrentControl Set>Services
Under the Services key, look for and then delete this subkey:
Wink*
Close the Registry Editor.
Restart the system.
Scan your system with Trend Micro antivirus and delete all files detected as WORM_KLEZ.H. To do this, Trend Micro customers must download the latest pattern file and scan their system. Other email users may use HouseCall, Trend Micro's free online virus scanner.
Since this worm uses a vulnerability in HTTP-based email clients like Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express, please apply the latest patches as follows:
Update to Internet Explorer 5.01 SP2
Update to IE 5.5 SP2
Update to IE 6.0
Trend Micro offers best-of-breed antivirus and content-security solutions for your corporate network or home PC.
Edited to add removal information for those who have PcCillin
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
in the past i have sometimes felt like i have to be the 'bad guy', so to speak, because i need to lock or delete topics, deactivate people, try and stop fights and such like - basically, telling people off and not being 'nice'.. well, apart from the odd heated debate and harsh word (and disruptive 'visit') i have not really had a great deal to do for the past month or two and it has been very nice - a pleasure to serve.. so ... i thought i should say a 'thank you' instead of a "stop it!
" for once
Thank you Simon! For all that you and your wife do here!
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
this is mostly directed to others that were born/raised in the cult.
more specifically those raised in the cult who also suffered from severe depression and/or social anxiety disorder or any other mental illness (other than the normal probs that come with being in the borg).
sometimes i wonder if its just me that doesnt feel like a person now.
(((((( Flower )))))))
Hugs to you.
I believe that one of the reasons we have problems interacting with others after we have left the org is because it was drilled into our heads over and over that the "worldly" people will die, they are wicked, do NOT get involved with them or you yourself will soon perish too.
After this brainwashing we (I believe) no longer looked to the people outside the org as people just objects (not humans with feelings and hearts and souls) soon to be a part of the great tribulation. So when we find ourselves in a position where we have to interact with those we once believed evil, demonized, and marked for death it makes us anxious at first, thus causing our anxiety.
I was appalled at myself when I finally came to this conclusion. How cold we once were to all outside the org. I still find myself even after 11 years out having anxiety and feeling of doing wrong. Where or why that is still there I do not know, except to say its one hell of a cult.
Its hard to open yourself up when we lead such sheltered lives and learn to trust those whom we were told to hate for years. We listened to the society for so long we no longer know how to listen to ourselves and let out heart guide us instead of men.
It will take time for the walls that have been built up to crumble but they will and you will feel free emotionally. Its not an easy ride but one day you will feel peace with yourself and those you choose to interact with.
Hugs to you again Flower. I have a shoulder here for you to cry on and to support you if you like.
C
When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.