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  Amazing Photo

  by Lehaa in

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  just got this email from a friend and had to share it with all.. incredible story and picture - little baby .

  a picture began circulating in november.

  it should be "the picture of the year," or perhaps, "picture of the decade.

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  i wanted to share something nice, and you guys have messed it up. go away

  Hi Lehaa
  

  I'm sorry about the person who jumped someones tail because they did not read what was going on. I felt the need to comment on your "sharing something nice". This picture and spam email/chain email has been going around since the year 2000. It's turned into an anti choice message IMO which was nice until those who wished to change the greatness of the surgery have used for their own gain.... you can read about here:

  http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/samuel.html

  and here:
  

  http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp

  Dr. Bruner later elaborated on some of the exaggerated and false claims made about this picture:
  

  "It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he hears from wonder whether it's a fake.
  
  "One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical experts and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.
  
  More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.
  
  Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through the womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.
  
  Not true, Bruner says.
  
  Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.
  
  "The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on." 3

  Last updated: 7 May 2003
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  9/11(Film) - Freedom burning alright

  by catchthis in

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  so have you seen the film yet?

  what was your impression of it?

  here was mine: .

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  Cassiline

  Also notice that Michael Moore never went to Iraq to film the scenes in the movie. Too much of a chicken. He just over-dubbed the audio.

  Welcome KK!

  Do one of your links supprt this claim? As I have heard this before. I can't commet on the movie yet, because I have not seen it. I have heard more from those who support the movie/moore than those who hate/dislike Moore. I do not want to hate anyone. I only want the facts then I will hopefully see the movie without any preconcieved notions.

  Welcome again

  Cassi
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  News Flash!

  by Lostreality in

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  the military employs brain-washing techniques in basic training!

  more, tomorrow at 11.. ..flash.

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  Lostreality

  Did you know that just about every religion uses brain washing as did supermarkets and movie theaters in times past? Do I know if they still use it? No.

  Please back up your statements with a link. If the military does use such, it would not be a very big surprise, given the fact that the US government spends 6 million dollars a DAY on advertising alone! That is more scandalous than the title of your thread or claims IMO.

  Links or proof, much needed here in the land of usedtobeliedtoEXjehovahwitnesses(somewanttobeexaswell).

  Cassi

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  Abortion...

  by Lostreality in

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  wrong or right?.

  right to choose, or murder?.

  what is everyones point of view?.

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  Cass, I agree with you that there weren't hundreds of babies in dumpsters back in the 60s; this dumpster thing is a more recent trend. ...I suppose I have a knee-jerk reaction to people claiming that 'we will return to the days of hangers' if RvW is overturned, as part of any argument. That statement should be retired IMO

  Sorry Bebu first thing that came to mind! Have a good night and I agree!

  (( Tal ))

  Yes, I saw that!!

  Cassi
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  Abortion...

  by Lostreality in

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  wrong or right?.

  right to choose, or murder?.

  what is everyones point of view?.

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  Blah!! Still having trouble posting everying I wrote

  Yiz

  You are aware that pregancy can kill correct? Any number of things. From high blood pressure to a placenta that has become detached. Do you put yourself in harms for 9 months straight to assure others can live?

  9 months Yiz, not a 5 hour plane trip or walking across the street. Will you do you?

  Cassi
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  Abortion...

  by Lostreality in

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  wrong or right?.

  right to choose, or murder?.

  what is everyones point of view?.

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  People will sometimes argue against abortion by citing individuals who achieved greatness who might have been aborted. Professor Lipkin raised a reply to this argument. What if you attended a symphony concert, and then the following morning when you awoke found yourself connected by a machine to the solo violinist from the concert that night? Suppose the doctors present explained to you that you are the only chance for survival that this man has, and that he will have to be connected to you for nine months, or he will die. Would you not find this a terrible impingement upon your rights? Would you not feel that this imposition was too much to ask? Would you not insist that you be disconnected from the violinist?
  

  It is not adequate in response to suggest that I might be willing to dedicate nine months of my life to be life support for a great concert violinist. One cannot truly know how one would react to such hypothetical situations. But it is clear that the illustration is quite an imposition, and is unreasonable. But if this is unreasonable, why is it not also unreasonable to require pregnant women to carry healthy unborn children to term if it will not endanger their own lives?

  http://www.mjyoung.net/law/lipkin.htm
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  Abortion...

  by Lostreality in

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  wrong or right?.

  right to choose, or murder?.

  what is everyones point of view?.

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  Hey Tal

  I just wanted to say, no hard feelings k? This and others we have been involved always bring out my claws! lol

  Hugs to you

  Cassi
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  Abortion...

  by Lostreality in

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  wrong or right?.

  right to choose, or murder?.

  what is everyones point of view?.

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  The unborn have the right to live regardless of the circumstances under which he or she was concieved.

  If your belief is religious and someone can show me that God gave the same right to EVERY man, woman and baby without destroying them because he did not agree to that which they were doing or their parents and did not destroy them in fits of temper then I may agree.

  Cassi, run-on sentence class
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  Abortion...

  by Lostreality in

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  wrong or right?.

  right to choose, or murder?.

  what is everyones point of view?.

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  This is not so. Medicine and technology have always been changing.

  Please do not take my quotes out of context. The reason that was written was to show that even back when coat hangers were used and abortion was illegal there were not thousands of babies in trash cans.

  Cassi
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  Abortion...

  by Lostreality in

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  wrong or right?.

  right to choose, or murder?.

  what is everyones point of view?.

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  I was not addressing you in particular, it was a general comment designed to make people think.

  Hey Tal

  You know, my youngest daughter and I just had the same discussion. She said to me she thought abortion was murder and she would never do it ever. Almost screamed it. I will not say to her what my beliefs on the subject are, as I may be jaded due to life experience. So I asked her the question if you were raped or the baby was a result of incest would that be ok?

  She responded, yes. I stated the same you posed, (devils advocate question) and she then said yes abortion would be allowed in that situation. I then asked why, she could not answer. Do I fault a 15 year old because of the obvious difference? No because as you said it's emotionally based.

  Everyone has their reasons for their decisions, it the fact that we have the decision to make even if we would not use it is what is important. It took women years to be reconigized as those who were allowed to make the smallest decision, even to even vote, which does not come close to this type of decision. But we have such and I believe many intend on keeping it.

  Perhaps thats why it is viewed with such authority. Because MEN do not hold that over womens heads any more. ( I realize this agrument can be knocked down like a match in the sand.) And I realize that some women use such for evil if you will. All this can be considered devil advocate argument as well. So much was held over women for so long and they were trapped and held hostage by a men. I heard every argument and I have sided with choice and that of no choice.

  Perhaps thats why it's so important to women as well. As I said above I am not judging those who choose.

  Cassi