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  On Petition For A Writ Of Certiorari To The Court Of Appeal Of The State Of California, Fourth Appellate District, Division Two

  by lastmanstanding in

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  has anyone read and considered the watchtower’s final submission to the supreme court?.

  gag.. also, have you read and considered the final submission by zalkin?.

  it’s interesting for sure.. zalkin hammers it home.

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  Can anyone post or link to a less, er, colorful and perhaps slightly more detailed summary of the submissions by WTS and Zalkin?
  
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  Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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  the fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.

  watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!

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  sir82

  When a person is baptized they are added to the number of 8,000,000.

  When a person is DFd does the Org subtract them from that same number or not?

  The "8 million" is the count of people who turn in a "field service report", i.e., the number of "publishers".

  You don't have to be baptized to be a publisher (although the vast majority of JW publishers are baptized). Most unbaptized publishers are kids of JW parents.
  

  In order to be baptized as a JW, you have to have been a publisher for many months beforehand. It is a set-in-stone requirement, no exceptions.

  So when someone is dunked, nothing really changes - he was a publisher the month before his baptism, and he continues to be a publisher after baptism. The count does not change. The change occurred many months earlier, when he turned in his first field service report.
  

  When someone is DF'ed he stops turning in field service reports. He is no longer a publisher. So yes, when DF'ed, the count goes down.

  The count also goes down every time someone becomes "inactive" (stops turning in field service reports), and (obviously) when a publisher dies. Based on best-guess estimates, there are probably around 80,000 JW deaths every year, mostly (like everyone else) due to natural causes.
  
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  An old memory...

  by Biahi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when i was newly divorced,still attending meetings, some of the younger married sisters got friendly with me.

  we went out (to bars) after the meeting, we hung out, etc.

  then one “ friend” asked me for a favor.

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  sir82

  Well, it sounds like she followed the WT's advice - she read the account of how David tried to cover over his affair with Bath-Sheba by having her husband sleep with her while on furlough, so her pregnancy (by David) could be explained.

  She must have meditated deeply on that scriptural account and tried to apply it in her own life.

  "Listen, obey, and be blessed."
  
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  Social Security/ Center link/ dept of human service or whatever name they are on this week

  by zeb in

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  2. friends

  this large australian govt dept is the one that pays the pensions to the aged, the broken, the invalids, the unemployed.

  they are running a campaign to claim back 'overpayment' from the least able to resist,and in recently revealed cases even the deceased.. no media org or politician will take up the challenge of naming the authors of this insidious action.

  if the dept with all its resources overpays and that is a big if then that is their problem to deal with not screw the hapless, the downtrodden and the aged all in all the defenceless.. pensioners are now living in fear they will be sent the dreaded letter to say 'pay up'.

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  Well that's pretty crazy - "we screwed up, so now you have to pay us to rectify our mistake".

  Seems like an enormous political liability.

  Here in the US, Social Security is sometimes referred to as the "3rd rail" - to touch it is instant political death.

  It needs reform, as it will not be sufficiently funded within "X" years - but no one, on either end of the political spectrum, dares to even mention it.
  
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  New HuB logo

  by MrHappy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the organisation has developed a new software for the coordination of nearly everything!

  i just want point out a few things i notice about the new hub icon logo.

  the image contains twelve pillars with the 2 at the front being the prominent.

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  What's with all the Masonic-conspiracy-theory nutters posting recently? Is it some Illuminati holiday or something?
  
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  What do you think of the A font in the signboad of "Watchtower Bible School of Gilead"?

  by intropist in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  first of all, i'm not a conspiracy chaser.

  personally, i've related with mason borothers alot and confirmed that jw.org is no more related with freemason after russsel who was never a member of freemasonry.. one of my friends again raised the questioning link between jw and freemason with the above picture.

  specifically the letter a.... .

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  why do the top brass still wear rings?

  Because they are utterly clueless, fashionwise?

  Vinnie's pawnshop had a sale?

  They think it looks "dope"?

  Sometimes a font is just a font....sometimes a ring is just a ring.
  
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  What do you think of the A font in the signboad of "Watchtower Bible School of Gilead"?

  by intropist in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  first of all, i'm not a conspiracy chaser.

  personally, i've related with mason borothers alot and confirmed that jw.org is no more related with freemason after russsel who was never a member of freemasonry.. one of my friends again raised the questioning link between jw and freemason with the above picture.

  specifically the letter a.... .

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  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

  Sometimes a font is just a font.
  
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  14 kids from the same old congregation

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this week, while talking with some old friends, i realized that there were at least 14 kids from a congregation in which i grew up that all left the jws.

  that is, 30 to 35 years ago, there were at least 14 kids going to the hall that were of the same “generation” (5 to 13 years old).

  in the last 30 years, they have all left “the truth”.

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  sir82

  I am part of the 1975 generation and those born in that year are approaching 40.

  If we assume they had to be 10 to understand any of 1975, they would be approaching 50.

  2019 - 1975 = 44, 2019 - 1965 = 54.
  

  Those guys are halfway through their 40s & 50s. Time stands still for no man
  

  (I am an "age of understanding" dude; even though I was just a little kid, I clearly remember the 1975 hype, both from the "literature" and the talks).

  Oh, and back on topic - as outlined in the OP, most of the kids I grew up with attending the KH are no longer JWs - I'd say probably 75% are long gone.
  
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  Ted Jaracz - the Cardinal Ratzinger of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  theodore ("ted") jaracz1925-2010.

  about 7:30, june 9, 2010, theodore ("ted") jaracz, one of the members of the governing body ruling over jehovah's witnesses, died.

  previously, on may 19, 2009, he had had a serious stroke, but recently seemed to have made a big recovery, giving some assembly talks.

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  It is unclear whether the law firm of Bochetto and Lentz will present physical documentation to substantiate

  the allegations against Jaracz.

  If they do, it would be earth-shattering to many GB-worshipping JWs, most of whom still remember Jaracz.

  Not that "earth-shattering" would cause them to leave, of course ("where else would we go?"), but it would certainly exacerbate the apathy and malaise permeating many if not most congregations.
  
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  The One Per Cent (1%) - Is it a Phenomenon of Nature itself? Is it Fair? Is it our enemy?

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  open discussion.

  the rich and powerful vs the struggling poor.. the 1% we all hear about.... is it fair that a tiny minority has more and wins more often than the rest of us?____.

  (let's make a survey).

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  The Rich and Powerful VS the struggling poor.

  The 1% we all hear about...

  Your opening statement is about the economic "1%" - the wealthiest.
  

  The rest of your post is about the intellectual "1%" - the smartest.
  

  I don't see why there is necessarily a correlation between the two.

  A whole hell of a lot of the "wealthiest" 1% inherited their wealth and are as dumb as gravel.

  A whole hell of a lot of the "smartest" 1% have never had the opportunity, or the inclination, to turn that intelligence into massive wealth.

  Seems like you are conflating two different groups. The overlap of the Venn diagram, I suspect, is quite small.