Posts by Caytf

47

What's Sacred, what's not?

by Frenchy in

jw
friends

let's put forth a question here that should provoke some interesting responses.

please feel free to give your thoughts on the matter inasmuch as that is the purpose of these boards.

we (jehovah's witnesses) do not accept blood transfusions on the principle that 'blood is sacred'.

Freely admitting? are you nuts or just naive? You are an interesting fellow who can't possibly be what you claim to be. I just thank you for the opportunity Jehovah has used me for in drawing you out on that limb your hanging on to. Take a look back brother at those who are reading the direction your posts have taken--they're shaking their heads (I am too). What they didn't know before was what your nay-saying was saying about you as an individual and where you truly stand in regards to respect for the truth.
You didn't want to be argumentative?? Sounding reasonable while stating "facts" about the society is a tactic used frequently by an evil dude we all know too well.
Let's see in your last post you confused the line between disfellowshipping and removal of privledges--big difference!
You confused the line between greed and gambling yet one is a disfellowshipping offense and the other is not.
You blurred the line into obscurity of who checks the socities actions when it is known to all Witnesses of Jehovah that all matters get taken up with a higher authority.
You've blurred in my mind exactly when you fell away from the truth because you hold onto antiquated notions and say the society polices us---thus trying to blur in the minds of any weak faithed ones what the society of todaydoes and does not get involved in.

But there was no blurring or confusion of your stand when you stated it was bad "PR" for the society to disfellowship for this or that practice....PR???? Now I'm shaking my head in dismay. Tsk tsk tsk... Be careful your slip is showing Frenchy.

As for your recommedation to committ fornication--no thanks. That was a pretty pathetic invitation and I've managed to thwart the very best mind you. Not tempted in the least. :)

47

What's Sacred, what's not?

by Frenchy in

jw
friends

let's put forth a question here that should provoke some interesting responses.

please feel free to give your thoughts on the matter inasmuch as that is the purpose of these boards.

we (jehovah's witnesses) do not accept blood transfusions on the principle that 'blood is sacred'.

Caytf

...Also Frenchy your post dated April 20th is incorrect when you stated that people could get disfellowshipped for gambling. It is not gambling that is a disfellowshipping offense it is greed. There is a difference. I personally believe that a christian shouldn't gamble but I know many Witnesses that have decided that they can gamble for recreation and they haven't been called before a committee because it doesn't fit the definition of greed if they meet their obligations.

47

What's Sacred, what's not?

by Frenchy in

jw
friends

let's put forth a question here that should provoke some interesting responses.

please feel free to give your thoughts on the matter inasmuch as that is the purpose of these boards.

we (jehovah's witnesses) do not accept blood transfusions on the principle that 'blood is sacred'.

Caytf

What I said was that the society won't try to police individuals medical decisions. I expanded the discussion to include the fact that the society can no longer police sex practices within a consentual marriage relationship--to make a point about what an elder body may perceive as a disfellowshipping offense and that it may be contradictory to what the society may or may not consider to be a disfellowshipping offense.

The ultimate truth about free will is that WE(individual understood) are the sole arbitors of our relationship with Jehovah. Jehovah has chosen the society to currently keep the worldwide congregation as clean as is possible for a group of imperfect people. The society has had to refine their practices as Jehovah has made the light grow brighter. Not a few have been disappointed in the societies (relatively new) decision to no longer police in a proactive fasion.

You say the society has no one to check their decisions but do you really believe that?

If I were to be disfellowshipped today for something I know was an unjust accusation and/or not Bible based-I wouldn't let it bother me--why? Because I am the sole arbitor of my relationship with Jehovah.

Edited by - Caytf on 28 April 2000 7:53:2

47

What's Sacred, what's not?

by Frenchy in

jw
friends

let's put forth a question here that should provoke some interesting responses.

please feel free to give your thoughts on the matter inasmuch as that is the purpose of these boards.

we (jehovah's witnesses) do not accept blood transfusions on the principle that 'blood is sacred'.

Caytf

Frenchy--the point of contention you seem to have is with the individuals who sit on the judicial boards- yet you keep saying the society does what it wants. Individuals on judicial committees do not make policy for the socity. The society FDS wouldn't sanction a modern disfellowshipping of married couples who engage in unusual sex within the confines of a consentual married relationship no matter how vehemently it is opposed by individual elders & ministerial servants. Fuss & fume all they want about what they (individuals) feel the society would disfellowship a publisher for--it all comes down to---Does the person feel repentance???If yes then guess what, no disfellowshipping is gonna happen but if no then the elders would have to find something else to get them on. The disfellowshipping is announced but not the problem that brought it about. So if it were the mother-in-law who heard about the "problem" and reported it to the elders--then she walks away feeling vindicated. And she spreads the unknown falsehood that "you can get disfellowshipped for oral sex." Its not true but she thinks it is and guess what the elders on the committee are not going to set her straight because they want that anti-perversion rumor to go around. It suits their purpose. But not the societies. They are completely separate entities. And if you are an elder like you said you were then, you know that there have been times when one elder has been able to persuade and entire elder body to his way of thinking simply by his passion for his beliefs and reasonings.

Edited by - Caytf on 27 April 2000 3:48:9

Edited by - Caytf on 28 April 2000 7:23:1

47

What's Sacred, what's not?

by Frenchy in

jw
friends

let's put forth a question here that should provoke some interesting responses.

please feel free to give your thoughts on the matter inasmuch as that is the purpose of these boards.

we (jehovah's witnesses) do not accept blood transfusions on the principle that 'blood is sacred'.

Caytf

So Frenchy maybe I wasn't explicit enough in my answer when I said THE SOCIETY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO CHOOSES TO TAKE BLOOD FRACTIONS any more than they can disfellowship a married couple (today) who admittedly enjoy felatio & cunnilingus within the confines of their marital union. THE SOCIETY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. They tried hard and fast in the 70's and realized their prudish stance would necessitate POLICING the publisher's private lives. Tell me brother when was the last time you heard of a substantiated account of married couples being disfellowshipped for the sexual practices mentioned above? The society has decided they cannot and will not police individuals private lives and that includes their medical decisions too. Why are you insisting to know a date of when this happened? It was the best decision in JW history to let the individual handle their own relationship with Jehovah with out let or hindrance by the society.

Edited by - Caytf on 21 April 2000 8:3:42

47

What's Sacred, what's not?

by Frenchy in

jw
friends

let's put forth a question here that should provoke some interesting responses.

please feel free to give your thoughts on the matter inasmuch as that is the purpose of these boards.

we (jehovah's witnesses) do not accept blood transfusions on the principle that 'blood is sacred'.

Caytf

No one here has even addressed the part of the scriptures that state WHAT MUST be done with the blood when it was removed from animals. The scriptures state that it was TO BE POURED OUT UPON THE GROUND. Simply stated the converse was prohibited and the converse of pouring it out upon the ground would be TO SAVE IT-USE IT-STORE IT.

Now we are not fanatics and do not hinder someone else from breaking god's laws so when the medical profession has found USE for blood and decided to SAVE it and STORE IT, they are in violation of God's law but so what? They are of the world and will have their own accounting. A lot of people here are misrendering the new stance the society has taken. THEY ARE NOT SAYING USE OF BLOOD IS OKAY OR FINE OR WE SUPPORT IT. They are saying we can't do anything about it and they are absolutely correct. They can't do anything about what individuals decide to do with their relationship with Jehovah anymore than we can do anything about what worldly people do in violation of God's laws. They HAVE TO LET US decide for ourselves we are the sole arbiters of our own relationship with Jehovah.

I was nearly stumbled out of the truth when an Elder's wife who chose to take the shot of blood given to most new Mothers (who are blood incompatible with their mates)told me the society said it was OKAY to take the shot if you wanted. Its been many years but I think its called Rhogam--not sure on that. I went home very upset and immediately looked it up and never anywhere in the article did it say it was OKAY to take it. To put it as simply as I can it said the indiviuals decided for themselves what they could do and that you as an indivual had to take into account all the scriptural accounts of prohibitions on blood and decide. They could'nt hinder you in your decision one way or the other and you should keep the decision private. I believe this sister and others who have taken the shot just so they can have continued pregnancys should heed the Societys advice and keep it private. Thankfully the societys publications were there to speak for themselves when it came down to someone interpreting their message into an acceptable answer that tickeled her ears and cleansed her conscience(in her own eyes). I sleep very well each night knowing that my one perfect child is enough in this old decaying system AND that Jehovah blesses my decision. I have never had the slightest doubt-never a qualm-not one iota of indecision on this subject. Can women who've chosen the shot so they can have more babies say the same? Only Jehovah knows.

Edited by - Caytf on 17 April 2000 16:27:53

Edited by - Caytf on 17 April 2000 16:37:42