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  Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂

  by Gorbatchov in

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  gorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.

  just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.

  the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.

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  steve2 5 hours ago

  One point I am not clear about: Did the Watchtower provide a "rationale" for the changed view of what happened 1918-1919?

  Yes, it is because they are looking for a modern day parallel to Exodus 2:23-25. and the 1918 - 1919 date didn't fit in with para 15:
  

  15 Thus far we have seen that true Christians came into Babylonian captivity soon after the death of the last of the apostles. However, a number of questions arise: What additional evidence is there that in the decades leading up to 1914, the anointed were actually breaking free from Babylon the Great, no longer being enslaved by her? Is it true that Jehovah was displeased with his servants because they had slowed down in their preaching activity during World War I? And did some of our brothers during that period compromise their Christian neutrality and thereby incur Jehovah’s displeasure? Finally, if Christians went into bondage to false religion from the second century C.E. onward, when did they get freed? Excellent questions these. They will be answered in the next article.

  One question I have. Is there any biblical reason to believe that the events that were recorded in the Bible long ago, are to have another or 2nd fulfillment in our modern day?
  
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  Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂

  by Gorbatchov in

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  gorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.

  just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.

  the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.

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  WT Studied 22nd Jan 2017.
  

  6 ...For many years, this journal suggested that God’s modern-day servants entered into Babylonian captivity in 1918 and that they were released from Babylon in 1919. However, for the reasons that we shall outline in this article and in the one following, a reexamination of the subject was necessary.

  7 Consider: Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religion. Thus, in order to be subject to Babylonian captivity in 1918, God’s people would have had to become enslaved to false religion in some way at that time. The facts show, however, that in the decades leading up to World War I, God’s anointed servants were actually breaking free from Babylon the Great, not becoming enslaved to it. While it is true that the anointed were persecuted during the first world war, the tribulation they experienced was caused mainly by the secular authorities, not by Babylon the Great. So it does not really seem that Jehovah’s people entered into captivity to Babylon the Great in 1918.

  Should WT now apologize to Babylon the Great for incorrectly saying that it was them, that were behind putting Rutherford and associates in jail back in 1918?
  

  Here is another questionable thing to say:
  

  14 .... At one point, he met with a number of local clergymen in hopes that these men would accept the truths that Russell and his associates had discovered from the Bible and teach them to members of their congregations. The clergymen were not interested.

  I wonder why the clergy were not interested? If someone came up to me and tried to tell me that the world would end in 1914 and used pyramidology to prove it, I too would not be interested.
  
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  Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  gorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.

  just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.

  the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.

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  Its a case of having to rewrite their own history to make this current teaching match. Before now they blamed church leaders, now its the State. How could they (the journal) possibly get this historic event so wrong for the last 100 years?
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  Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  gorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.

  just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.

  the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.

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  In that Wt study today, WT blamed this journal for getting it wrong in the past. Blame the journal because it couldn't possibly be any other reasons!
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  Attention all leaders of corporate organisations under threat!

  by Half banana in

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  imagine you are on the governing board of a religious organisation with around eight million subscribers and an annual income of approximately a $billion (well it used to be!).

  you are about to be handed a mass of legal cases against you for concealing your negligent practice of concealing paedophiles in your congregations---followed by the prospect of a cascade of damning publicity?

  do you admit you were wrong and apologise unreservedly?.

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  You would tell your congregations how wicked the world is and that this wicked world will say all kinds of lies to draw you away from the congregation . Its all apostate lies so don't be mislead...
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  The December Broadcast... OMG- what the heck was that?

  by Sliced in

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  "of course not- we want to eat from clean dishes!

  dishes that have been cleaned thoroughly inside and out.

  " we have to be sure the things entering our minds are clean... rejecting exciting fun stuff that features sex.

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  I didn't know that dishes had an "inside" that could be washed.
  

  Maybe a cup? or a bowl? wish they would clarify what dishes mean.
  
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  Is everything a sign to the jw's?

  by karter in

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  of publisher numbers go up its a sign jehovah must be blessing the work if they go down it a sign the end must be near .

  if there's an earthquake it a sign.if there's a war it's a sign ..i'm sure donald trump is sign.

  karter.

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  "This convention is a sign that we are closer to the end".

  Overheard at the end of every convention.
  
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  Putin cronies caught again placing banned lit at the KH

  by Sanchy in

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  can these guys not see that there are surveillance cams all over the kh??

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  https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/docid-802016753_1_video.

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  Village Idiot

  Pentecostals and religions other than the Russian Orthodox Church are being persecuted even to the point of having their buildings destroyed and being put in catch-22 predicaments.

  Thanks, So this persecution is not directed at WT only.
  
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  Putin cronies caught again placing banned lit at the KH

  by Sanchy in

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  can these guys not see that there are surveillance cams all over the kh??

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  https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/docid-802016753_1_video.

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  Is this really happening? Can any non JW.Org people verify that this is happening? If real, is this also happening to other religions in this area?

  There seems to be so many surveillance camera's operating with these so called planters doing this action in full view of these cameras. Would they not remove the video recorders or tapes?

  They have there heads covered to avoid identification but its OK to plant banned stuff in full camera view. Sounds like the only reason they broke in is to plant banned stuff and then have the police find it. If genuine, would you not plant these banned items in such a way that no one could tell, and with no chance of cameras recording it. That guy looks to be doing it in such a way that he wants the camera to catch him.
  

  Sorry, I am a bit skeptical when it come to this sort of behavior.
  
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  If this system goes on.

  by karter in

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  i heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.

  years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..

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  You are right, when I joined in the late 80's, we were already deep, deep, deep in the time of the end. Unlikely to get the the year 2000 said one Watchtower back then.

  But as I am told now by my relatives who are JW.org followers, "There is more new light now than back then, this time we are truly deep, deep in the time of the end, and this system will end any day now".

  It doesn't help when we have a CO tell us from the stage that "It is an inspired expression of error to not believe the end will come in our lifetime".