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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

ackack

Thirdwitness, you wrote:

The June, 1914/ Oct 1914 is really not that difficult to explain. It was at the end of June that the archduke was assassinated. That is when history declares that WW I began. But so what? Just because someone was assassinated then you think that the Devil must've already been cast down by then. By Oct, 1914 WW I was just getting underway. Turkey did not even side with Germany until Oct, 1914. Sides were still being drawn. Really this is a poor attempt to discredit JWs.

According to http://europeanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/blww1stimeline3.htm Turkey didn't join until November. (just a side point). World War 1 is used as an example of how the world went crazy under Satan's direct influence. But Satan didn't directly influence World War 1 until October, two months after the war was in full swing. My intent is not to discredit JWs, rather, I'm finding fault with the logic of October 4/5th being special in any way. The war didn't suddenly increase in intensity, nor did the world "go mad" in any appreciable way.

World War 1 itself was predicted by many commentators of the day. It didn't take the world by storm, or come as some shock, but was pretty much anticipated. There is an interesting book, called England and Germany, published in 1913 I believe, where the author details why another war was inevitable.

I suppose I'm just trying to understand why World War 1 marked the beginning of anything? It certainly didn't mark the ending of the Gentile times...(that was in October, and the war clearly started at the end of July). Not really sure why Witnesses use it as an example of anything really.

But you're right, sides WERE still being drawn, I mean, the USA didn't even get involved until 1917 (afaik). But aside from USA and Turkey, I think everyone else figured out their sides before October.

And btw, it wasn't the archduke being assassinated thats meaningful, its Russia declaring war the next day and promptly invading Poland. So Satan wasn't involved there. Which bits of the war WAS he involved with then?

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

ackack

ackack: Do JWs not use WW1 as proof of their 1914/607 logic?

Yes, WW I as well as other events that followed shortly thereafter.

I don't get it, are you just playing dumb? How can WWI be used to show the veracity of 1914 if it started before Satan's ouster from heaven? Or, just the October thing not really matter? In your mind, is the whole thing not really that precise?

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

ackack

Thirdwitness, how on earth was my question off-topic. You wrote: "The events that took place on earth in 1914 and since then also confirm this." My question pertained to it. Your characterization of my question was unfair.

So wanna answer it, or just avoid it more? Do JWs not use WW1 as proof of their 1914/607 logic?

ackack

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

ackack

The bit of this that has always confused me, is how did Jesus becoming king in October 1914 and casting Satan to earth cause World War which started in July?

ackack

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Wanting a new computer, and a new OS

by Nosferatu in

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friends

i'm still running win95, and it has been good to me for the past 8 years or so.

unfortunately, it seems that win95 is officially becoming obsolete, especially with browsing the internet.

some websites require ie6 or newer, and win95 can't run it.. so, i'm thinking about getting a new computer, or even a used one that isn't too far behind the times.

ackack

If you really want to go with Microsoft and XP (though you shouldn't consider it, most viruses run on it) ....
(Couldn't resist)
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Wanting a new computer, and a new OS

by Nosferatu in

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friends

i'm still running win95, and it has been good to me for the past 8 years or so.

unfortunately, it seems that win95 is officially becoming obsolete, especially with browsing the internet.

some websites require ie6 or newer, and win95 can't run it.. so, i'm thinking about getting a new computer, or even a used one that isn't too far behind the times.

ackack

Yes, exactly what AlanF says. If a piece of software is a real issue, you need a platform that supports that piece of software. Of course, no matter which platform you use, you can use virtualization to get at windows to run a special piece of software.

VMWare http://www.vmware.com/

Parallels http://www.parallels.com/

All things considered, Mac OS strikes a good balance of simplicity and dependability.

ackack

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Wanting a new computer, and a new OS

by Nosferatu in

jw
friends

i'm still running win95, and it has been good to me for the past 8 years or so.

unfortunately, it seems that win95 is officially becoming obsolete, especially with browsing the internet.

some websites require ie6 or newer, and win95 can't run it.. so, i'm thinking about getting a new computer, or even a used one that isn't too far behind the times.

ackack

Also, any new mac can dual boot windows.

ackack

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Wanting a new computer, and a new OS

by Nosferatu in

jw
friends

i'm still running win95, and it has been good to me for the past 8 years or so.

unfortunately, it seems that win95 is officially becoming obsolete, especially with browsing the internet.

some websites require ie6 or newer, and win95 can't run it.. so, i'm thinking about getting a new computer, or even a used one that isn't too far behind the times.

ackack

Two good options (I think) is Ubuntu Linux and Mac OSX.

Ubuntu linux is a free linux distro thats quite easy to use, easy to update, easy to install software on, and easy to install. I totally recommend it.

OOTH, I'm writing this on an iMac, which simply put, is an incredibly good bargin. Its a nice compact computer, running a very nice OS. If you want simplicity, and want to do lots of cosummer-y stuff, like photography, music etc, Mac OSX can't really be beat. And the interface is quite good.

ackack

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Fact Jews Returned In 538 BC Kills Off Watchtower Chronology

by AlanF in

the watchtower society's 1914 chronology hinges on a dicey chain of claims.

if any of these claims is wrong, then the chain is broken and watchtower chronology collapses.

along with it goes the entire belief structure built on it, including most importantly the claim of the leaders of jehovah's witnesses to have been specially appointed in 1919 by god over "all christ's belongings" on earth.

ackack

Funny story, I had an instruction talk on "absolute dates". One of their absolute dates was 539 BCE. So in the body of the talk you had to talk about how this information was beneficial. Supposedly it led you to 537, then to 607 then to 1914. I looked at the first link in the chain, and realized that 537 was based on speculative thinking. I was pretty bothered by this, so I went down to the Eatons Centre to look for some information about Bible chronology. I ended up buying "The Bible as History" (the second edition) which really sort of ended up blowing away some of these assumptions.

I called my Dad up about the discrepency, and his take on it was, "well, its the best guess". I found it very difficult having to teach that from the platform. I sort of muddled my way through it, and no one seemed to really care that I had less enthusiasm. Generally, any talk at the KH about chronology is so over-complicated, it has the effect of impressing whoever is listening, and causing them to glaze over and assume the subject matter is more complicated than it really is (though this seems to be a common tactic with the WT).

Interestingly though, I got told off in a local needs later for researching Bible history in the book "The bible as history" later, which is a very pro-bible publication. Aparently, and I quote, "If its not from the faithful slave, its false." Ironically, the very same book was downstairs in the KH library.

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World of Warcraft fans???

by Confucious in

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hey guys.... i'm a big gamer.

i play a game called world of warcraft.. i know of 2 other people on my server that are jw.. one is a fader and the other a regular at the meetings.. i actually discovered them by accident after chatting with them during christmas time.. just wondering if anyone else here plays on wow.. confucious

ackack

Holy crap, tier2? You put me to shame.... I've got 5 pieces of the tier1 set now... I hope I get some of the tier2 stuff soon. We're regularly doing onyxia now, and last night, we finally beat Rag, so, it should happen soon.

My guild is Xeno. I'm pretty sure we hate you guys ;) email me sometime though... or better yet, send me your email address by PM. I can't respond with PMs, because ... (sigh)... PMing is broke in safari because its coded very very poorly. And its such an easy problem to fix too. :(

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