i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.
this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.
how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?
AlmostAtheist, but that begs the question (or is it begging the question, can't get those two straight) .. err.. actually, it simply presupposes that jesus was refering the a worldwide flood which is a later fundie belief (I thought)
If you want to pick apart anything, go for Jonah. :)
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so thats what it feels like.. i am not df'ed or da'ed, ... i have just stopped going to meetings.
my wife is trying to be as active as she can.. so all morning i am out of my regular routine.
late getting out of bed and late about everything today.. so i leave the house, and before getting to the office, i decide to stop at the mall for a quick, maybe 15 min, walk.. as soon as i get inside, taking my coat off, here is the elder who did everything he could in his power to get me out...and lied...and added to gossip that ran me outta there.. he and his wife spot me .. and turn there heads away and continue on their walk, .. eyes fixed on some thing away from me.. so thats what it feels like.........now i know.
The first time I was shunned was before I was DF'ed, DA'ed or otherwise (imho) in some sort of bad standing.
It was someone from my old book study group who spotted me, and just kept their head down and ignored me.
It hurt. Now its funny. But it hurts again when I think of my parents.
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i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.
this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.
how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?
defd, how do you argue against the ideas in my first post? I'm honestly wondering as a believer, how do you reconcile such things?
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i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.
this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.
how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?
AuldSoul, just one point I wanted to ask you. You mention that the gospels would not have been "scripture" to Paul, but don't you think its odd that Paul doesn't refer to anything Jesus ever said or did? Why wouldn't he have?
Or in any of the OT examples Paul uses, there wouldn't be a single NT example or any of the NT characters referred to by Paul?
Kinda feels like Paul and the gospels are completely disconnected.
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well, in 3 weeks, we'll be there.
we're going to go so we'll be with mrs kwin's (heart2heart) family for christmas.
between x-mas and new years, i'll be bringing all our stuff from ns to on.
Woohoo! come down for some pho or shwarma as soon as you get here :)
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i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.
this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.
how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?
I've been reading the Jesus Puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of Q. Its seems like the various pieces of Q in Luke and Matthew have different contexts. This would support that the contexts for the Q sayings were invented.
It seems that Paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of Jesus' life?
How would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences? Or otherwise, how sound is this reasoning?
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i looked to see if there was a welcome thread for leftbehind...sorry if i missed it.. but, welcome anyway.
we are not what you think or was taught we are.
you are welcome here, and if you choose to stay around, you will no doubt find what it means to have unconditional love and respect not just for and from others...but for yourself.. wlg
What, we do love-bombings now??? ;)
All the same, come, enjoy, discuss.
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i tried to edit part 6, but once again the system ate my notes.
so i will try here.. talk # 22: trust the faithful and discreet slave - brother sico .
synopsis: we can trust the faithful and discreet slave (fds).
Heart harmony is a very creepy phrase.
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i tried to edit part 6, but once again the system ate my notes.
so i will try here.. talk # 22: trust the faithful and discreet slave - brother sico .
synopsis: we can trust the faithful and discreet slave (fds).
I found this an incredible leap.
"Is 'Governing Body' a scrirtural term? YES. In Hebrews 13:7, 17, the term 'those taking the lead' is footnoted and referes to a term in Greek which literally means 'those who are governors of you' "
How do you get from that footnote to a hierarchy, I'm not sure.
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okay, was there really nothing resembling christianity before christ established christianity and the ideas behind that?
i mean, a lot of what the principles of christianity contain seem to be very common sense, such as loving neighbor, not stealing, don't covet neighbor's wife, etc.
do you really think the concept of christianity was so ground breaking when it did occur?
Hey all. I just got loaned to me "The Jesus Puzzle". Some interesting points in there. There was another book I was looking at about how Mark was a reworking of the Iliad. Anyone read both of these? Your thoughts?
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