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  The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

  by VM44 in

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  could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?

  the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.

  for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.

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  Scholar, what is your view on the kings and lengths of rule for neo-babylon?

  How do you get around the contemporary business tablets?

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  Are the gospels genuine?

  by ackack in

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  2. bible

  i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.

  this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.

  how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?

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  What are these external sources Forscher?

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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-4-05 WT Study (Shepherd)

  by blondie in

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  jehovah is our shepherd .

  "jehovah is my shepherd.

  " he said to him: "shepherd my little sheep.

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  Just wondering here... what percentage of study articles mention the FDS? Seems like about 90% ... is that true?

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  Are the gospels genuine?

  by ackack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.

  this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.

  how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?

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  Yes, Paul does indicate that he recieved from the Lord by direct revelation. Yes, there are many similarities to Paul's writings and various quotes from the gospels. Earl Doherty's argument is that a) when making these various arguments, why didn't he appeal directly to actually Jesus' sayings? b) sometimes he alludes, some times completely disagrees. Interesting that you picked Mark 10:11-12 in there. I always found it funny how Paul seems to "extend" this with 1 Cor 7:15. The example in the book was where Jesus says not one letter of the law would pass away with Paul's teaching in Galatians that the law was done.

  I suppose its arguable that the parallels between them could be easily explained as the gospel writers ripping off of Paul's works. One possiblity perhaps.

  I could sit here and listen to you read the ingredient list off of a can of soup and be totally fascinated.... sigh :)

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  Are the gospels genuine?

  by ackack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.

  this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.

  how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?

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  Its curious that you could teach about Christ without ever once quoting him or referring to his object lessons. I guess Jesus' actual saying are of only limited value (in Paul's eyes according to that theory)

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  Are the gospels genuine?

  by ackack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.

  this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.

  how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?

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  Interestingly, the author of the Jesus Puzzle argues that Mark had access to a more primitive, or verbal tradition of Q.

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  Are the gospels genuine?

  by ackack in

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  i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.

  this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.

  how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?

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  AlmostAtheist, but that begs the question (or is it begging the question, can't get those two straight) .. err.. actually, it simply presupposes that jesus was refering the a worldwide flood which is a later fundie belief (I thought)

  If you want to pick apart anything, go for Jonah. :)

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  My first time being shunned in public

  by xjwms in

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  so thats what it feels like.. i am not df'ed or da'ed, ... i have just stopped going to meetings.

  my wife is trying to be as active as she can.. so all morning i am out of my regular routine.

  late getting out of bed and late about everything today.. so i leave the house, and before getting to the office, i decide to stop at the mall for a quick, maybe 15 min, walk.. as soon as i get inside, taking my coat off, here is the elder who did everything he could in his power to get me out...and lied...and added to gossip that ran me outta there.. he and his wife spot me .. and turn there heads away and continue on their walk, .. eyes fixed on some thing away from me.. so thats what it feels like.........now i know.

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  The first time I was shunned was before I was DF'ed, DA'ed or otherwise (imho) in some sort of bad standing.

  It was someone from my old book study group who spotted me, and just kept their head down and ignored me.

  It hurt. Now its funny. But it hurts again when I think of my parents.

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  Are the gospels genuine?

  by ackack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.

  this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.

  how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?

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  defd, how do you argue against the ideas in my first post? I'm honestly wondering as a believer, how do you reconcile such things?

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  Are the gospels genuine?

  by ackack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been reading the jesus puzzle and something interesting was this re-ordering of q. its seems like the various pieces of q in luke and matthew have different contexts.

  this would support that the contexts for the q sayings were invented.. it seems that paul doesn't reference the gospels in any form.. does this support a late writing for the gospels and therefore calls into question how close the gospels were written to the alleged events of jesus' life?.

  how would someone who believes in the gospels reconcile these differences?

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  AuldSoul, just one point I wanted to ask you. You mention that the gospels would not have been "scripture" to Paul, but don't you think its odd that Paul doesn't refer to anything Jesus ever said or did? Why wouldn't he have?

  Or in any of the OT examples Paul uses, there wouldn't be a single NT example or any of the NT characters referred to by Paul?

  Kinda feels like Paul and the gospels are completely disconnected.

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