Don't name her Virginia. Beautiful name, but shortened to Virgin (granted the emphasis sounds different than virgin, but STILL!) Good friend in elementary school with that name. I still suspect she quit school in the 7th grade from sheer embarassment.
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Girls names
by FeelingFree inok so i know its not really anything to do with jwness but we are struggling with baby names and really can't think of one we both like.
its getting a bit desperate as i'm due in about 8 weeks .. i'm getting bored of looking at the same old names on the baby names websites so any suggestions would be much appreciated (girls please).. **cash prize for the one we choose!
** ....... no not really lol.. .
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Girls names
by FeelingFree inok so i know its not really anything to do with jwness but we are struggling with baby names and really can't think of one we both like.
its getting a bit desperate as i'm due in about 8 weeks .. i'm getting bored of looking at the same old names on the baby names websites so any suggestions would be much appreciated (girls please).. **cash prize for the one we choose!
** ....... no not really lol.. .
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JWdaughter
Rachel McKenna
Laura Kathleen
Kathleen (Katie)
I like classic names, but those vary according to your language and culture. Noor or Nur means light, Nabila means noble. Binta means daughter.
My main suggestion-a name that is light. To the tongue and to the ear. But not comical or ridiculous or too religious. Chastity and Charity are the kinds of names that beg for a rebellious teenager to fly in the face or it. Or get a sex change operation.
Esperanza means Hope-I think that it is a beautiful name to the tongue and the ear and the heart.
I have an Irish background and my kids names reflected that.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW BABY!!! I'm happy for you-what a blessing.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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Hirsi has a story to tell and quite a bit of it has been shown to be fiction. She is polarizing and calls for the abolition of religious rights of all Muslims. She got what she wanted though and is now a US citizen. Having been in Africa and Asia, I understand the things people will do to escape the poverty and difficulty of life there-especially after having tasted the west. HOWEVER, I don't get to speak for all ex-JWs, all American women, all people born on the west coast or all formerly fat people any more than Hirsi can speak for all Muslim women or about all Muslim men or Islam itself, for that example. Her experience is her own just as everyone has their own experience with family and community and faith. I think she has mixed her issues and blames Islam for all of the ones (that she might actually have).
Does Danny Haszard speak for all ex-JWs, Cofty? Do you think that his experience is every JWs experience? Do you have extreme IBS? Do all ex JWs kill themselves or lead the life of degenerates? That is what all JWs think about ex-JWs. I read about people with heinous JW families, physically and sexually abusive parents, families who shun completely. I read about evil elders and wicked elderettes. . . but is that every JWs experience? Is it something that their Bible tells them is acceptable or desirable? Does every Christian get tarred with the brush of the crusaders or nazi's? How about the fact that the most dangerous place in the world for a woman to be is in Christian Congo? Is that because Christians are inherently evil or that black people are or black men are? Would you hesitate to lay all the social ills of sub Saharan Africa at the foot of Christianity? Cause it is mostly Christian. Rwanda-mostly Christian. The most westernized countries there are filled with criminal violence-it is risky to live/visit there.
I don't think Hirsi is qualified to speak about Islam. She can speak of her family, her neighborhood and her own experience, but for you to dump it on all Muslims or Islam is as stupid as thinking that the Jackson Five's experience as children is reflective of all JWs experiences or that all black male JWs live like Prince or that all unbaptised JW publishers can pose nude in magazines and not have any repercussions publicly in the congregation for it.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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JWdaughter
I responded to a factual error. I am not here to defend or justify any religion to anyone, Cofty. Anyone who wants to promote ignorance and provincial behaviors is on the same continuum as terrorists and extremists of all bents. Whatever their purported motivations they are not for the betterment of anyone.
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Small (tiny) victories
by disposable hero of hypocrisy ini had a conversation with my wife today about child abuse as it's in the news, and i managed to slip in the fact that wt (not an individual, but the .org itself) has just been ruled against in the states to the tune of 13 million or so.
she knows i'm opposed to the procedures we have in place, and she can definitely see that it makes sense to go straight to the police, and said she would do immediately if it were our children.
we had a fairly local case where the elders positively marched the offender to the station themselves, and good for them for doing so, but she most likely thinks everyone would do that out of common sense.
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To the OP:I'm glad your locals are USING their common sense instead of putting it away in the interests of the organization-as clearly way too many elder bodies have done. Hopefully they are all getting the message that the police participation in an accusation of child abuse is not optional.
Hopefully your wife will see the truth of these things eventually. Good for you that you care enough to even try any more. I think the WT/JWs are very wearing on a marriage.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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JWdaughter
I am discussing in this whether or not wearing the hijab is a "headship" issue in Islam. It is not. The religion does not teach that covering ones head is about respecting husbands or fathers. I was merely trying to inform the OP who lovingly is trying to teach his children about diversity and to respect others. Too bad not all here have learned that lesson.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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JWdaughter
You want to argue about Islam, it isn't going to be with me. I was stating a fact.
The Quran(which Muslims believe is from God) teaches about hijab. It is open to interpretation in how one implements it. Some say that hadith clarifies it. Some say the hadith just muddies the issue. Hadith is not scripture, it is just sayings/hearsay. Which is why some women cover their hair, their face or just dress modestly. In Christianity, it says straight up to cover ones hair, its a headship issues that many christians agree with in principle, but not practice. Most Christians believe the Bible is inspired and very few of them cover their hair. Others play silly hanky games JWs and So. Baptists and even nuns, nowadays.
I would encourage those who think that they are educating others to be informed by facts rather than anti-Muslim activists. There are plenty of nominal Muslims that are reprehensible human beings, but I think you will find a representative amount in the Christian, pagan and non-believing world.
If you are going to judge a religion by headline makers, take the last 4000 years and see how that works for Christians, atheists, or other kinds of belief systems/non belief systems. The fruits of (whatever) isn't just this quarter century. Except to provincial, small minded people.
You know, the ones that get pissy because Spanish is an option at your ATM or in a govt. office.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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JWdaughter
I did not "defend" anything in my post above. I stated a fact. Muslims do not cover under any kind of "headship arrangement". It is not a doctrine or a teaching in Islam.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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JWdaughter
Just to correct a factual misunderstanding. Muslim women do not cover their faces to show respect to men-not their fathers or their husbands. In Islam, women cover their hair (and some, their faces) do so to be modest. That is the religious reason.
The idea of it being out of respect for men is a carryover from the Christian teaching of headship as regards headcoverings. That is the CHRISTIAN take on it, not the Muslim background. Muslims generally don't follow Pauline thought.
A sadder reality is that many women do it out of cultural acceptance. Some have no understanding at all religiously of why they would cover. They do so because their moms, grandma's and aunties do. Or, in limited places, they are required by law to do so. It isn't about respecting the headship of men whatsover unless they simply want to please their traditional family (men and women). So some DO cover because they want to please their family even though they don't feel like their faith as a Muslim requires them to. It is easier to cover than to converse with all their loved ones about why they don't.
In the US, there are a LOT of women who you would never know are Muslim because they do not cover publicly. They may dress more modestly than other women (or not!), but again, it is their choice. Most of my friends do not cover even their hair.
In the states, none of my friends cover their face. When I lived overseas, the face coverers were usually from very traditional bedu families, or just very rich famiies or converts. My friends who were converts were doing so out of their own conviction as they were unmarried.
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News story re: Doris Nelson. How many involved are Witnesses?
by LogCon inthere are a number of defendants being sued by the trustee.
two are jw's from vancouver lower mainland.
this b--ch started the business in vancouver and then took it to washington.. here is the list of defendants.. lls america llc, debtor.
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JWdaughter
I remember the name Dill from when I was a JW about 35 years ago. Lived in W Washington. Wonder if it is the same family? I believe the ones I am thinking of were fairly prominent since I remember the name, but I know they were not in my immediate congregation. I wonder if that is why my mom is broker than she oughta be?