Garybuss, i thought they went to paperbacks so that the evidence of all past misdemeanors would disintegrate that much faster. I sell used books and there are a LOT of very old (100 year old!)hardcover books that are in very usable and readable condition. Many of the organizations are entirely unopened(hidden in someones closet after claiming they were placed? One never knows!) Damning evidence that will not disintegrate fast enough!
JWdaughter
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THE BORG WANTS YOUR NUMBER
by Mary inmy elderly dub aunt (who's the biggest whiner the world has ever seen) came over tonight to first of all, whine about how her neighbour shuts her kitchen cupboard doors in the most annoying way possible and her dog barks and what was she supposed to do about it?
anyway, as soon as these monumental problems were solved, she informed me that at the bookstudy the other night, the conductor told everyone to "stay after the prayer" as he had 'something important to announce.
" naturally everyone did this, all the while wondering if the red phone at patterson was in direct contact with jehovah himself as the study was being conducted.
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Beard Question For The Girls Out Of JWD (Guys Can Answer Too)
by jayhawk1 ini told my wife i wanted to grow out my beard a little longer.
she said that was fine with her.
then i mentioned i was thinking of letting it get as long as zz top's beards.
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JWdaughter
Guy in the middle or the ones at the edge? Those long beards look disreputable. Shave, quick, before you hurt something, or a possum gets loose in that mess!
Oh, original question-whould I LET him grow one like that? I'm not his mommy, so I don't give or withold permission. However, if he knew I thought it was revolting(I do) I would hope that he would not do it. It would make for a major EWWWW factor when performing my wifely duties. . .If it is a huge turnoff to her, you might want to re-think-bet or no bet. All money in a marriage is community property in my state:)
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A Night In The Woods...
by Justice-One ini just got back from a trip designed to conquer a fear.
i have always been afraid to camp by myself in the deep woods, and last week i set out to change that.
next night.
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JWdaughter
Interesting thing to confront a fear. Good for you. I have grown up in WA state and know that there be dangerous critters-not even far from home(On my way to the comissary I often come across deer in the road-and cougars are not unheard of) I have never been afraid of things that go bump in the night, my fear is my son doing something unwise and hurting himself or others. He is 18 and drives like a loon.
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The Bastard told on my dad
by Lilycurly inso...everything had been fine for a while.
i wrote my da letter, very clear and also very surprinsingly "apostate" according to the elders.
so at first, dad does what he's told is right and starts the shunning.
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Grace, you said, "A couple of years ago, my husband and I went out for dinner on New Years Eve. By this time I had already DAed. The next week he was pulled into the back room as well...apparently someone saw him. He had to admit to the "Elders" that he is a very weak man when it comes to his wife, and this got them off his back"
Why would eating dinner with you, when you are married, and he is allowed to have a normal marital relationship with you, anything for them to interrogate him about? Because it is New Years Eve? I thought JWs are allowed to eat out on any night of the year? How could they object to that? Why did your husband need to admit he is weak when it comes to you? (Although-good on you!!) You are his WIFE! They probably wish they had some of their own, so they thought they'd try to cut off his! (Jealousy, you think?)
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The Bastard told on my dad
by Lilycurly inso...everything had been fine for a while.
i wrote my da letter, very clear and also very surprinsingly "apostate" according to the elders.
so at first, dad does what he's told is right and starts the shunning.
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Lily, I'm glad your dad bucked the 'system' as much as he did. Perhaps that unexpected encounter in the mall will turn out to be a true blessing for your whole family as he sees their 'true colors'. Keep showing him where the real love comes from. Shelly
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The Bastard told on my dad
by Lilycurly inso...everything had been fine for a while.
i wrote my da letter, very clear and also very surprinsingly "apostate" according to the elders.
so at first, dad does what he's told is right and starts the shunning.
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Agapa37, if your daughter did not want to worship the way you do anymore and people asked her WHY, would her responding to them in an honest and factual way earn your shunning her? Because people do not leave in a vacuum or something-it isn't just forgotten by all who know them. Its kind of a big part of ones life. I had a JW lady ask me the other day why I left. I told her! Many of the reasons were not in any way And the reasons were factual and they were not complimentary to the organization, and in a couple of instances could be seen as hits on the way you all worship (my lack of respect for the alleged abstention from blood that the WT advocates, as an example). Should she just lie? If someone asks her if she thinks it is a cult and she responds in an honest way, affirming that she does indeed feel that way-you will shun her? And when the Elders counsel you-and they will, no matter WHAT she says, will you tell them that you will put your daughter above their organizational dictates? At that point you might be quite free to speak to her all you want as you and I both know that it doesn't work that way.
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UNDER AGE DRINKING IN JWS?
by badboy in.
i understand from another thread that there were instances of this.. know any?
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JWdaughter
The first drink I had was with JWs at a gathering, but it was just wine and not much of it. I was 14 or so. I was unaware of any rampant drinking problems at the time, but later found out that one family in particular had sons that had serious drinking issues from a young age. The youngest married a girl from the cong. and was horribly abusive. I was young when I was in and I didn't know of any big congregational issues with alcohol. But I was always a dork, even among JWs. They probably had wild parties and never invited me:)
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Met a JW while my mom was in surgery
by JWdaughter inso, last thursday my mom had a outpatient surgery at the local clinic.
across the seating area a couple of people were talking and i got the sense that they were jws, though they didn't say anything specific to the org., they did use some catch phrases(brother-to a middle aged black gentleman, by an older white woman).
we were discussing recipes and diet issues, and i mentioned that i had never had brisket until this woman in my church made one.
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JWdaughter
Nothing specific, however, there are many instances of their misquoting scholars, historians, church fathers and even their own literature.
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Met a JW while my mom was in surgery
by JWdaughter inso, last thursday my mom had a outpatient surgery at the local clinic.
across the seating area a couple of people were talking and i got the sense that they were jws, though they didn't say anything specific to the org., they did use some catch phrases(brother-to a middle aged black gentleman, by an older white woman).
we were discussing recipes and diet issues, and i mentioned that i had never had brisket until this woman in my church made one.
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So, last thursday my mom had a outpatient surgery at the local clinic. Across the seating area a couple of people were talking and I got the sense that they were JWs, though they didn't say anything specific to the org., they did use some catch phrases(brother-to a middle aged black gentleman, by an older white woman). We were discussing recipes and diet issues, and I mentioned that I had never had brisket until this woman in my church made one. I observed that it seemed to be a Texas thing(in response to the guy speaking of his Texan grandpas recipe). WELL, in any case, of course their religion came up (after I finagled the conversation a little myself).I mentioned that my mom was a JW and she said, OH, she must have joined the truth after you grew up, since you mentioned church, right? I told her I had been raised in the "Organization", but never was baptised and left at 15 for reasons that I later questioned. She then looked very knowingly at me and made some comment about the world attracting me. . .I said I joined a religion more restrictive than the JWs so that wasn't the issue, and I revisited the decision as an adult and realized that my reasons were valid and then I learned even more reasons why I could never be a JW. At this point, she moved across the waiting room (likely guessing that I would feel free to say the reasons and not wanting them broadcast throughout Group health) and sat next to me. Very concerned of course. I gave her a partial accounting of my reasons. The control of the WT, the stand on blood, the 1914 thing( I said I was there, and you were there, and you know as well as I did that they totally misled people about it and later tried to blame the brothers and sisters for their expectations. She acknowledged that and said "but they made a big public apology(at some convention that I apparently missed). I said they were guilty of false prophecy. She said "you are a prophet if you say anything from the Bible that is in the Bible" I said, If a prophet speaks something that does not come to pass as a PROPHECY, there is a consequence for that. It is not merely the repeating of Gods word that is condemed. She then gave me several more Organizational excuses for false prophecy or definitions of prophecy. In any case I said I don't accept what the WT says as any kind of authority, and because of their past, I have no confidence that they would tell me the truth in any case. We touched many other issues, transfusions, the change in blood policy, etc. I didn't focus, because #1 the room was full, I wanted to be a good witness of all that is screwed up in the WT to any Non JWs listening. #2 The guy across the room was likely an elder and I wanted him to hear (oh, I didn't pick on elders, or individuals-just the organizational teaching/policy/lies)#3 I knew I wouldn't see her again, and she wouldn't try to contact me and one of us would be called out of the room to accompany their patient(mom or spouse) so I wanted as much on the table as possible. She really let me go on, and responded several times when I mentioned changes. She asked me about the trinity (because of the church I go to) I said I can't tell her anything about it-I don't know. No one KNOWS anything. I put my faith in that Jesus Christ saves, and do what I read in the Bible the best I can, and figure that God can't hold ignorance against me, after I have done all I can to figure out what is right and wrong. She said, but if you IGNORE what is clearly taught. . .I said, it isn't clearly taught-thats why so many people argue about it. And what the org clearly teaches now is not what they clearly taught 50-100 years ago. Russell would be kicked out of the org. (I actually think she is still musing over that!) She kind of wondered with my "I can't know everything attitude" that I didn't go to the WT since they "tried the hardest to find the truth". I said "for example, about birthdays, I am totally convinced there is nothing in the scriptures that forbids them, and I could not go door to door preaching to people against something which I believe is not wrong at all. Thats just birthdays. How could I in any good conscience preach what I believe to be a lie? I may not know some things doctrinally, but I know plenty about the WT org that i simply cannot support. She tried to point out religious leaders. I said if there is a body of baptist high ups who claim to have direct inspiration from God, I have never heard of them. I said I have the right in my church to nudge my friend next to me and ask what the heck is he saying if the preacher says something ridiculous-and she won't report me to the elders! I don't have to take what any man says to me in church to be inspired utterances (unless of course he is reading scripture or I think he is particularly led by God) If I have a question at church bible study, I can ask the darn question! Even if it might challenge some teaching. And I am not going to be counseled for a QUESTION.
I missed so many other things, the perverted baptism, the questionable translations, the dishonest quotations(that I have seen for myself), the twisted logic and on and on. Sorry to ramble so, but it felt really good to let it all out:) And after she had admitted that she didn't agree with everything(???!!!) I had to wonder how she could go door to door and preach it to people. She really didn't have an answer. I did get a lot said, but I actually did take a breath a few times and she shared too. I let her know that I respect that people try to do the right thing, but I think in this organization, they have been sorely misled.
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Is questioning at the bookstudy still allowed?
by yaddayadda ini remember when i was a kid it wasn't unusual for someone to ask a question of the conductor during the bookstudy.
not that often but occasionally.
in my most recent years as a dub i can't recall anyone ever asking any questions.
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JWdaughter
I asked a question once.
That is not kosher in the WT world. The conductor asks the questions and the rest of the room is allowed to answer so long s they don't stray from the script.