OR, they could be wiggling their way into communes. Made the spiritual closeness connection, but why not just be direct? They lived on top of one another. . . there's an idea! If everyone sold their homes an lived together on a small piece of property, they could donate all their equity to the org. . . .
JWdaughter
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Ooops. They're back at the anti-type game.
by scotoma ini thought it was ex"plane"d at the corporate meeting that type-antitypes were finished unless it expressly is stated in the bible.. from the feb 22 study article.
question on paragraph 11- what comparison found at psalm 122:3,4 could be applied to god's people today?.
during the coming time of trouble for this system, we will have to be truly united.
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Do You Think President Obama Is Muslim?
by minimus ini really think that he is.
not that it's a bad thing...
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JWdaughter
Obama is not Muslim. I started checking him out before he officially declared. I was kind of on the conservative side of the aisle-ok, a lot. So, I read all the nasty stuff that was said about him and his so called faith. I tried to see the other side. I gave the birther idea a (way more than fair) consideration (bordering on ridiculous, because, like I said, I was R).I picked apart his family relationships and his friends and his travels and his drug use.
He wasn't born in Kenya. Period. He was raised with Muslims for a while, but I don't think he was or is Muslim. He is a liberal and educated Christian who is not a provincial troglodyte He isn't getting his information on Islam from conservative talk radio like some here may be.(I used to be one of you.) He knows the difference between what the Quran teaches and what ISIS is doing. He isn't ignorant of what Islam "really" is, like some who claim to be experts are-just plain ignorant or deceptive.He doesn't seem to have had any adult brushes with the practice of Islam. Being nice or hospitable or conciliatory to people isn't exactly an "unchristian" thing to be. Bhe Bushes were gracious hosts to the same crowd of people His mom was not Muslim and he spent MOST of his formative years in the States with his christian family, His dad was a alcoholic atheist. Not exactly a picture of Islamic devotion. I dont see it.I just don't think so.
My catholic son was in a school filled with Muslims and living in a Muslim country (not going to a madrassa, but most of his friends from school were Muslim and there were Arabic courses and praying allowed in the school(voluntary)). Two years 10-12. He is not Muslim, he's an altar boy at the local RC church.
My investigation of Obama and the question of his religion led me to investigate Islam more fully. I didn't vote for him either time. I think Obamacare is unconstitutional (but I like certain aspects of it). I think he has done some lame ass stuff. I think he seems well intentioned but very political (which negates a lot of good intentions, IMO). I think Michelle dresses nice.
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Anybody interested in Judah Ben Schroeder? Here's two links. See if you can find who Judah works for. The info is in the first link.
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://theworldnewsmedia.org/charlotte+schroeder+%28may+9,1920+to+june+19,+2013%29.
and here's how judah looks as seen in a recent video - especially posted for those who knew judah over the years.
closet factory testimonial from judah schroeder.
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Works in NY as a worker with a vow of poverty and has a really big closet in Florida. Always been in the Borg. So, where does he get his money for the house in Florida, the watch and the closet? When I was in, I heard they got $14 a month + room and board. I dont imagine they get a mortgage worthy stipend these days. -
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For God So Loves the Western World...
by Tempest in a Teacup in...that only people from those countries can lead 'his organization'.. a few years ago, one conversation stopper people would often bring up to jws in my country is: 'you guys are an american religion'.
the standard answer we were formatted to give to shoot that down was that "god does not favor any nationality over others.
however some countries do possess some advantages needed for the advancement of the divine work.
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JWdaughter
The WT leadership is not the only self involved group of people. Many people (even here) are blind to the realities of other cultures and have an arrogance and superiority complex that is off-putting to those who have a broader world view. When people are in literal survival mode, it is hard for them to relate to our frustrations with the lines that we stand in to get our licenses updated or how long slow our internet is. I know what an "ugly American" is and have had my moments of being one. Its hard, when we are spoiled by the relative ease of our lives for us to realize how fortunate we are-we take a lot for granted. Many have died to have the right to the difficulties and challenges that send some of us into depression and despair.
Of couse, the GB is supposed to be better than that, right? But they aren't. American WT standards are held for most people across the globe (though I have seen some give in some areas). But seeing native African brothers in suits and ties while IN remote parts of Africa is just incongruous. Even in cosmopolitan Cairo, few men dress in that western fashion (ties, particularly). They are tone deaf.
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Semi Home Study Based Charter School vs. Regular School
by SonoftheTrinity ini blame my stepkids bad grades in school squarely on the watchtower.
they don't get enough sleep because of the demands of family bible study and thursday meetings but comprimise isn't in my wife's vocabulary.
my stepson has friends at school but there are also bullies, and the classes are overcrowded with sicknesses spreading through them in a way that is detrimental to the family's health.
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Oubilette, I commented on what I read-and the impression that I strongly got was that you were giving that dad a hard time as well as any parent trying to educate a child, when the parent doesn't have the education that you seem to deem necessary. I think you are being a bit elitist about it, however I do agree that many parents jump into the home-schooling thing with a lot more naivete and bravado than they ought to have. It isn't EASY to teach children, but I know many very successful home-schooling parents (and a few disasters). I do think that an interested parent with a reasonable education (in any field) can make it work if they have the right reasons and support. The public school system is very challenged-and they are responding with alternatives. I dont think schools are necessarily a disaster, but they have to meet the needs of a lot of children that would formerly have been shuffled off to institutions, special schools, or kept at home. Not all children can dealI well with the public school system for various reasons-some are the children who formerly would have been somewhere else and some are the children whose normal variations become much more of a effort when in this more inclusive and challenging environment.
Rather than attacking or venerating all homeschoolers, I think it is a good idea to figure out whether this is the right thing for the little boy whose JW mom may have agendas other than educating her son. The father will figure out soon enough if he is up to it. It isn't rocket science, and he has the advantage that most teachers do not. He knows the child and has real insight into how he operates and what challenges him and interests him. If the situation with the mom warrants it, it might be a good idea. Or not. Its a reversible decision!
SOTT I love you for trying to help your son and not accepting the status quo. With serious gang issues, I'd rip the out of a dangerous situation too. Great teacher has a great suggestion. Find SOMETHING that kid can be great at. If he is the best cookie maker, birdhouse painter, trumpet player. . . whatever. My sis was having trouble with one of her kids who was smart and normal and had a brother who just excelled at academics and sports and is great looking, too. He is that kid that dads want their sons to be. Well, being the older sister of a paragon is no easy thing. Smart, but not as smart. Played sports, but was never the star. She was headed into the land of goth and spikes when she stumbled into the performance arts. She is dramatic, she can sing, she can dance. That is HER thing. She is happy-not because she is a star but because she found something that she is good at that she enjoys.Much happier kid. My brother found his nirvana in fishing.My son is a singer, my daughter an artist.Not for money, for love.
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The Opal Ring: a story based on the true life of Jehovah's Witnesses
by Julia Orwell init's finally finished!
it's a fictional story about an old jw.
it is very long, about 7000 words.. the opal ring.
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Good story, Julia.Thank you for taking the time to write it and share it with us. Sometimes we are the choir being preached to, here, but sometimes it is so nice to know someone "gets" us. Thank you. -
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"in" Family driving me crazy on social media
by freemindfade indoes any other fader who maintains a minimal connection to preserve family ties have this issue:.
i post something on ig, facebook whatever.
and from my super zealous family i get preachy posts.
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JWdaughter
Before I shut off my FB, the only posts that were for the public were the ones that I shared. When going to other's, I often see everything ever posted to them. TMI. Ultimately, I got sick of it, so no more FB. I hate social media mostly. I waste enough time here. -
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The beginning of the end for shunning?
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthe borg seem to prepare for changes by missing explanations out for a while then presenting a "new understanding" which doesn't contradict the most recent discussion.check out the most recent references to gog - no identification as satan.. in today's wt study, paragraph 15 concerning benefitting from the prodigal son stated "if we meet a person who has strayed from the congregation, will we offer loving and practical help to assist him to return?
" there is no footnote or other qualifier saying not to go to disfellowshipped ones (who are definitely the ones being talked about) which is still the official policy.
i know this isn't an ending to shunning, but it may signal the start of the preparation for a change.
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JWdaughter
Most mormons do not shun in the way that the JWs do. They may excommunicate him, but if he shows up to meetings, it will be the rare LDS who would overtly give him the cold shoulder in church. He won't have "priesthood" responsibilities (or any) or go to the temple. That's pretty much it. They won't take his tithing money (boo hoo?). They just do it to officially control people and to discipline them (make an example out of them- (same reason JWs do, just not usually so ugly).
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Semi Home Study Based Charter School vs. Regular School
by SonoftheTrinity ini blame my stepkids bad grades in school squarely on the watchtower.
they don't get enough sleep because of the demands of family bible study and thursday meetings but comprimise isn't in my wife's vocabulary.
my stepson has friends at school but there are also bullies, and the classes are overcrowded with sicknesses spreading through them in a way that is detrimental to the family's health.
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I have homeschooled and worked with teachers in the PS system. I was hired to teach first grade in a private school and was just smart enough to back out before I damaged anyones critical early years of education. I have taught at the college level (and was kind of awesome, thank you) and IELTS. I am pretty conversant with the education system. In grammar school, teachers deal with a wide variety of subjects but their expertise is teaching and managing a classroom rather than their claim to fame having been that they know the ABCs or how to do simple math. There is more knowledge required in the upper levels, but the things that are being taught are the same things that most parents forgot around the time the midnight feedings started after parenthood. Teachers go to college and learn techniques to deal with different educational styles, how to manage a classroom and sometimes focus on a particular academic subject-but they don't know everything.
I think that a reasonably intelligent person should be able to help a child in a structured educational program when they know the child well if they have any kind of personal discipline. Keeping kids on task is the biggest challenge of teaching, IMO. Or my biggest challenge, anyway. One is a lot easier than 23 or 40.
I did not read everything you wrote, but I just picked up a strong opinion about those without college working with a semi-home schooled student. I wasn't sure where it was coming from. It definitely takes more work and time to assist a home schooled student, but parents work with their children in the PS system all the time and many of these parents do not have the same degrees that teachers do.
Neither one of my parents had the level of schooling that I did by the 9th grade, but the way they failed me was not that they couldn't help me with my homework but that they didn't make sure I was DOING it. They were simply uninvolved (Dad was too busy, mom was too much a JW to care). I think the most critical thing that the son has going for him at this point is not the kind of school that he attends, but that he has a father who gives a damn. How many of us would give our eye teeth for a parent who cared as much as this guy?
My biggest worry is not about the semi home school itself, or the teacher, or the dad-but if mom is going to be dragging this boy off to FS, then he would be better off in the PS system altogether. She will keep him from other kids and he might well be extremely isolated in the congregation. THAT would be a lot more tragic than any minor academic consequences. For a normal family with a child who would grow in that kind of system, I would LOVE the semi home school system. In a JW family, I find it problematic and am conditionally enthusiastic. You or another poster brought up the personality/needs of the child. That is important to consider. And playing at being teacher is NOT what any child needs a parent to do. It takes a lot of committment to home school.
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Lock the parking lot gate after the meeting starts?
by MinisterAmos inquick synopsis...the local spanish congo is the only one in about a 40 mile radius.
most of the members live nearby, but the ones in the outskirts have up to a 1 hour trip depending on beach traffic.
recently the wife and i noticed that the hall's parking lot had been secured by a wall and electric gates added to all three exits and entrances.
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Great, lock me out. Terrifies me that they feel the need to lock everyone else IN. That seems like some sort of fire or safety code violation. . . anyone check into the safety aspects of such an act? It seems kind of nasty-and I am not for one minute worried about the latecomers. The more of the general public that is protected from the cult, the better.