leo
I recall reading about some people who specifically willed that, upon death, their tattoos be cut from their skin and preserved. I'm not entirely revolted by the idea.
daystar
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How do you feel about Tatoos?
by Fisherman ini feel very offended and distrurbed when i see people covered with tatoos.
some people have tatoos all over their bodies, even on their faces.
there are also tatoo programs on the tlc channel that children can watch without a forewarning before the show comes on.
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
I have this same problem with Buddhism's maxim, for example, that "all is suffering" then insisting upon detachment.
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
Seems like God uses a "Just in Time" production methodology
LOL!!
Again, though:
"Far from having made 'all objects sacred' Christianity, in the wake of the Bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension. The biblical and Christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of God, the very idea of God the Creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the Lord. From such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.' The sign of another world or hidden world (Nietzsche). It can no longer be intrinsically the site of the sacred. It becomes a simple object appropriated by human reason, in conformance with the injunction in Genesis, which enjoins man to rule the earth. What the ancients called the 'soul of the world' suddenly disappears. In this way the slow process of 'disenchantment' of the world begins, as described by Weber."
Do you not think that by relegating the divine to a plane above and superior to the material one rather than one in union with the material that there is potential for abuse as the sacred does not then reside within the creation, except for potentially, perhaps, within man?
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
It's only really since the industrial age that we find man raping the planet.
And only since then that he's really had such a capability.
Is 1600 years notice not enough?
Do you really need to ask that? We're pretty darned stubborn creatures.
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
Ah yes, thanks for reminding me of that contradiction. Funny for God waited all the way until Revelation to decide to reign in just how far His people are allowed to subdue it.
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
"ruin and you'll be brought to ruin".
Context?
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
I have difficulty understanding where you are deriving such a belief. Most Christians I know believe that there's nothing inately "sinful" about the creation, just mankind. Is there a Jewish view to that effect??
Well, I'm not talking about the Christians you know, or the Christians I know. I'm talking about something core in the system. Perhaps "sinful" would not be the correct word for creation outside of man.
According to the bible, we stand superior to the rest of creation, including the earth, which we are directed to "subdue". Within that premise, there lies the explicit potential for misusing the earth. Nowhere have I seen a scripture that says something like, "but care for the earth for she is your mother (as illustration), just as the Lord gave you life, the earth provides for continued existence. Do not trash her."
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
Maybe it's just the way I'm reading you, but it looked like you were claiming it as a Judeo-Christian invention absent in Earth-religions. Since your supporting text is chronologically older than Judeo-Christian belief, that would appear to undermine the hypothesis.
I still don't see the relevancy. I'm saying that it exists in the tradition as far back as it goes, however far that may be and from wherever it arose.
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
And you believe there's a "core influencing value" in Christianity, to this effect?
Sure, that the material world is sinful, that mankind is rotten, that the earth, etc. is merely a waiting room for an afterlife and that it is here merely for us to use and use up, to subdue. Moderates may lighten the emphasis on this, yet it remains.
That text is not only pre-Christian, but is also pre-Judaism. Surely you haven't forgotten that "Moses" ( whomever he may actually have been ) was only a redactor of several creation and geneaological accounts?
(I noted the change in thread title, thanks, but it still doesn't side-step the chronological issue over the date of "core influencing value".
I don't understand where you're going with this. This doesn't change anything.
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The Judeo-Christian premise for our destroying the earth?
by daystar in"far from having made 'all objects sacred' christianity, in the wake of the bible, has emptied the world of every sacred dimension.
the biblical and christian idea of a divine transcendence manifested in the creative act of god, the very idea of god the creator, disenchants the whole world, and the world remains only an object created by the voluntary will of the lord.
from such a perspective, the world is only a 'sign' of a presence, the 'other.
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daystar
I would have to ask if this is by virtue of their religious beliefs or a capitalistic political ones?
As if the two can be entirely seperated? You might be able to extract overt religiousity in politics, but the core influencing values remain.
I'm not aware of the Christian system of belief having any bearing on the subject.
Genesis 1:28 "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
It's rather a Christian premise, is it not? As opposed to pagan premise that has not "emptied the world of every sacred dimension".