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Letter I wrote to the person the caused me to be disfellowshipped

by jwfacts in

a thread on another forum reminded me of a letter i wrote to the person that went to the elders and started the proceedings to have me disfellowshipped.

i stopped believing in the religion when i was 25 but continued going for about ten years.

i finally started to fade at 35, but about 6 months after i had stopped going to meetings, a person wrote a letter to the elders about my website, which at the time was anonymous.

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Thanks again for the comments.

Steve2 - self-efficacy is a hallmark of healthy mental- health functioning.

Great comment. I get frustrated with people that say they cannot do something. I am becoming more aware that they may need help to understand their true potential.

There was an elder on the Judicial committee that was very nice, and stressed by the whole process. The other two were incredibly arrogant, a real wake up call to how heartless and power hungry many elders are. I may consider sending a similar email to the kind elder, as I know the process really affected him.

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Letter I wrote to the person the caused me to be disfellowshipped

by jwfacts in

a thread on another forum reminded me of a letter i wrote to the person that went to the elders and started the proceedings to have me disfellowshipped.

i stopped believing in the religion when i was 25 but continued going for about ten years.

i finally started to fade at 35, but about 6 months after i had stopped going to meetings, a person wrote a letter to the elders about my website, which at the time was anonymous.

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Post his email address here Paul , we'll ALL send him a thank you email!

lol - I couldn't be quite that mean.

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Quotes to discourage JWs from researching WT history?

by JWOP in

are there any direct quotes from the watchtower's literature that discourages investigation into their past doctrines and practices?.

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They have written their own history, so a JW would say that it is ok to research their history. The point is, they constantly say not read information from apostates, which is basically saying, do not read other versions of our history, only our own, sanctioned, whitewashed version.

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Letter I wrote to the person the caused me to be disfellowshipped

by jwfacts in

a thread on another forum reminded me of a letter i wrote to the person that went to the elders and started the proceedings to have me disfellowshipped.

i stopped believing in the religion when i was 25 but continued going for about ten years.

i finally started to fade at 35, but about 6 months after i had stopped going to meetings, a person wrote a letter to the elders about my website, which at the time was anonymous.

jwfacts

Thanks for the repsonses.

KateWild - He never answered, but I know it would have made him furious. Still, it must have made him wonder at why the site could help people leave. Who knows, one day he could be one of them.

I read a comment, I think it was on JWD, where a JW told a disfellowshipped person something like, "I cannot talk to you." They responded, "I didn't think you still believed that stuff." I have used that line too. I think it is great, as it shows the person you do not believe the Watchtower, which is far more effective than them thinking you are not a JW because you want to do something immoral. It is a simple comment that could lead places.

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Letter I wrote to the person the caused me to be disfellowshipped

by jwfacts in

a thread on another forum reminded me of a letter i wrote to the person that went to the elders and started the proceedings to have me disfellowshipped.

i stopped believing in the religion when i was 25 but continued going for about ten years.

i finally started to fade at 35, but about 6 months after i had stopped going to meetings, a person wrote a letter to the elders about my website, which at the time was anonymous.

jwfacts

A thread on another forum reminded me of a letter I wrote to the person that went to the elders and started the proceedings to have me disfellowshipped.

I stopped believing in the religion when I was 25 but continued going for about ten years. I finally started to fade at 35, but about 6 months after I had stopped going to meetings, a person wrote a letter to the elders about my website, which at the time was anonymous. It ended up for the best, since I would never have been able to move on if I just faded. This is what I wrote him.

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Hi Dwayne,

This week is the anniversary of the 6th year since I was disfellowshipped. I would like to thank you, as you were directly involved in that occurrence, and if not for you I may never have had the strength to do what I should have many years earlier. Being officially freed from the religion was like being born again; it was such a relief. For about a year I would wake each morning a feel in awe at finally being alive, released from a life time in a mental prison.

Of course there were some negative aspects, particularly losing family. But it was that aspect of anger and hurt that spurred me to be able to achieve great things. My site was small and anonymous at the start, with the intention of explaining to my family and friends my point of view. But the actions you precipitated with the elders, rather than letting me fade (particularly since I had not been to a meeting in 6 months and had almost zero contact with JWs) but disfellowshipping me, gave me the impetuous to plunge fully into expanding jwfacts.com, promoting it, and also launching a case with the Privacy Commission.

jwfacts.com is now one of the main resources regarding the Watchtower Society on the internet, and has lead to many thousands leaving the religion, many more that left but were still tormented by doubts finally freeing themselves completely, and from the emails I receive is having a tremendous influence in preventing people contacted by Witnesses from joining the religion. I am inundated with emails of gratitude for the information.

You really have been a godsend.

Here is wishing you a Happy and Prosperous 2012.

Regards

Paul

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How Jehovah's Witnesses benefit those humble enough to study the Bible with them.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

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excellent material can be found within the reasoning book, page 328, para.2, 3. occasionally, i see posters make presumptuous comments like, "all you need is the bible", or, "i'm born-again, so there's no need for spiritual assistance from another christian", or,"i'm saved", or my favorite, "jesus talks to me directly.

" on one hand, i can't be overly critical of such ones because they do attempt to read and understand the bible on their own.

(acts 17:11) not to mention they're generally peaceable folks, just self-misguided when erroneously believing that they can go it alone.

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The things you write are so hilarious that I sometimes think you are an exJW pretending to be a JW, just to make the religion look bad. Your cut-and-pastes and broad, inaccurate statements are filled with rhetorical fallacies. If you are really a Watchtower follower, you would do your religion a favour by not participating on discussion boards.

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C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

by karter in

wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

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joe134cd - thank you for the update. That is very sad. I guess he was only in his 60's like my father. Conrad Mack died in his 50's. Whilst the GB live till their 90's, CO's do not fare well. Many people on JWN pay them out for all the adulation they receive from the congregations, but the reality is they do not feel that special, knowing that are down the food from Bethel, and put up with a lot, particularly the ones that need to stay in a different house each week. Their diet can be very difficult and taxing on them, along with their lack of privacy.

I think Renee's education was paid for by Bethel, but I cannot remember for sure. She was in the legal department at the same time that the paid for Vin Toole to go to university. She struggled when in Bethel, it and the legal team we too male and heartless for her. I wonder if she ever got married.

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Babylon not rebuilt....B S

by Skinnedsheep in

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i always accepted that babylon was simply a pile of ruins miles from anything and inhabited only by goats.

this is one of the proofs that witnesses use for bible accuracy and prophecy.. if you are interested check out ancient babylon on google maps.

it is about 3 miles from the city of hillah which is 380,000+ people.

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(Isaiah 13:17-20) Here I am raising up against them the Medes,+Who regard silver as nothing And who take no delight in gold.18 Their bows will shatter young men;+They will show no pity on the fruit of the womb Nor mercy to children.19 And Babylon, the most glorious* of kingdoms,+The beauty and the pride of the Chal·de′ans,+Will be like Sod′om and Go·mor′rah when God overthrew them.+20 She will never be inhabited, Nor will she be a place to reside in throughout all generations.+No Arab will pitch his tent there, And no shepherds will rest their flocks there.

v22 - Her time is near, and her days will not be prolonged

The complete destruction of Babylon was one of the fulfilled prophecies that convinced me the Bible was inspired, based on the false information in the Watchtower publications. Then I found out that the prophecy did not come true, and that Isaiah turns out to be proof that the Bible is not prophetic.

Isaiah "prophecies" that the Medes would raze Babylon. Yet the Medes and Persians actually settled there, and until Alexander the Great destroyed it in 320BC, it was the largest city in the world. Alexander died in Babylon. Even then, people still lived there fora at least a century.

In recent times, Babylon is not a place for jackals and uninhabited. In 1983, Suddam rebuilt parts of Babylon on top of the old ruins, including a 600 room palace, and another for himself adjacent to it, also on top of the ruins, which had his servants permanently living there.

During the Iraq war in 2003, the US set up a base camp directly above the ruins, and came under criticism for destroying valuable archaelological remains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon and http://architecture.about.com/cs/countriescultures/a/saddamspalace.htm has some great information and pictures.

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C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

by karter in

wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

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Br Jenkins - He was a really tall CO. His daughter Debbie Jenkins was in Parramatta congregation

Peter Moore - Very sweet brother. His daughter Renee studied law and was in Bethel for a while.

Rex Manwaring - never liked him. Was he the one that constantly used the banana lounge illustration?

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Who wants to live forever?

by Doug Mason in

what will living be like after 5 billion years?.

doug.

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Zeb, I have seen Tasmania. I was born there. It is beautiful, but I couldn't live there for more than twenty years. As much as I loved being overwhelmed by the beauty for a few minutes every day, I then want lots of people an action. Maybe if the pictures of paradise were of the center of Hong Kong, and not just a few people scattered from one end of the horizon to the other, I would long for it more.

Yes, I am old: 73.

Doug, I do not want to die. I love every minute of every day. I am only 44, but and every day I have a small fear it may be my last from an accident, and I will not get to see my child grow up, and he won't grow up with a father. At 73 I would not be so worried, but I still would not want to think death was near. I would be more comfortable with death as I near 100, having lived a fully and fruitful life, but even then doubt I would want to die. But living forever and living for thousands of years are very different things.

It reminds me of Isaiah 65:17-25, which is misapplied by Jehovah's Witnesses. There it says, "No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age... " That was the dream of the Jews, to live to 100, healthy and fulfilled. That is my dream as well.

I just realised that your question was about living forever, not living forever on earth. I would love the idea of living forever in a spirit realm. It is far more appealing than the JW version of being confined to this planet. In a spirit world, everything could be possible, and unlimited. That would be very appealing.