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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
sorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.

i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.

he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
jwfacts

Wasn't GB Jackson part of the Australian branch and did he have anything to do with this cover up besides being on the GB.
No, he was a special pioneer in Tuvalu, and then in the Fiji branch.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
august.

mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .

public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
jwfacts

"Would the process have benefited if one of you had been a woman?"
Fantastic question.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
august.

mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .

public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
jwfacts

Monty is very supportive of JW doctrine in many areas, such as his comment that the Watchtower not permitting women elders is a bible principle that in no way diminishes their value. Interesting that he never fully moved on, even though he claims to have tried to block everything about it from his memory.
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

do you feel personally vindicated by it?

do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
jwfacts

Nitty-Gritty But their rules are not man made (that's if you believe the Bible is not from man of course).
That is a naive comment. Every religion says it is following the Bible, yet they all arrive at different standards, depending on how they interpret each passage. The two witness rule is a perfect example of ignorant men arrive at an illogical and harmful stance, despite saying it is a Bible and hence God's requirement. (Likewise with blood transfusions, disfellowshipping, higher education, etc.)
Being spirit directed is one thing, but actually following the direction of the spirit is another.

That is an evasive cop-out. JWs are expected to follow the rules as if from God. No mention is ever made that the Governing Body may not be following the direction of the spirit in making those rules.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
august.

mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .

public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
jwfacts

The RC must be shocked at how easy it has been to tie each of the elders in knots. It would be amusing if it was not for the gravity of the subject.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
august.

mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .

public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
jwfacts

Marvin Shilmer - coregation is good Aussie pronounciation.
Village Idiot - One other child would be sufficient for the two witness rule and they would likely find another since pedophiles are serial offenders.
Back then they needed two witnesses to the same act.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
august.

mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .

public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
jwfacts

I cannot believe how ignorant the elders are on their own teachings. The elder Rooy was stumped when questioned about why JWs don't stone adulterers since this is in Deuteronomy, along with the 2 witness rule. Rooy did not seem to understand what the point was. The correct Watchtower answer is that whilst the Mosaic law was done away by the Ransom sacrifice, at Matthew 18 Jesus reiterated the two witness rule.
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

do you feel personally vindicated by it?

do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
jwfacts

Nitty-Gritty I fail to understand how you can stand up for the Watchtower when its policies have been shown to be grossly lacking. It should not be relevant if it was as good as other churches at the time, since the religion touts being spirit directed. It claims its stance is actively directed by the Bible, Jesus, and Jehovah's spirit. Yet suddenly JWs are justifying that they were on par with the world, as if that is good enough. Your strong defence is indication that internally you know the Governing Body are just men and their rules are man made, all of which is evidence that you are following just another religion.
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Watershed moment???
by sparrowdown in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
will this rc turn out to be the beginnings of a watershed time in wbts history?.

do you have any thoughts regarding this?.
jwfacts

It will be like the UN situation. Only some JWs will ever hear of it. Of those, most will dismiss it as lies, imperfection, the light gets brighter. And some will wake up. No watershed moment, but a step in the right direction for some.
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

anyone know who this monty baker is?

i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
jwfacts

One point in the Watchtower favour that JWs no doubt will promote was that they released an Awake article that was informative about child abuse. It was very vague, as it was admitted that other religions had information prior to that regarding internal procedures, but the Awake was early for public information.
The comment was made that it is not really relevant, as the Awake information did not change the fact that Watchtower procedure is badly flawed, but I see JWs jumping on this as a strawman argument.

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Being spirit directed is one thing, but actually following the direction of the spirit is another.

That is an evasive cop-out. JWs are expected to follow the rules as if from God. No mention is ever made that the Governing Body may not be following the direction of the spirit in making those rules.

Marvin Shilmer - coregation is good Aussie pronounciation.

Back then they needed two witnesses to the same act.