Posts by jwfacts

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Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"

by doubtfull1799 in

this from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.

"keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.

because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .

jwfacts

Well spotted, doublespeak at its finest. What issue and page?

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in february 2017, the european association of jehovah's witnesses made a "submission to un human rights committee subsequent to the adoption of the list of issues on the sixth periodic report of italy".. the 119th session of the human rights committee is currently underway - the dates are march 6 - march 29.. the wts has been trying to get "intesa" status in italy for decades and this latest submission to the un highlights the problems the jws are encountering in italy concerning the blood taboo.. this link will take you to a downloadable word document that is the wt's submission being considered:.

http://tbinternet.ohchr.org/treaties/ccpr/shared%20documents/ita/int_ccpr_css_ita_26670_e.docx.

23676 of 2008: mr grassato (one of jehovah’s witnesses) was unconscious when admitted to the hospital.

jwfacts

But it should also be looked at as a slippery slope, if a government can tell you what medical procedures you should or should not accept then that is when a problem does come in. It does apply to doctors as well. It is your body you get to decide what medical treatments you allow and which you deny.

You are using two classic Rhetorical fallacies (slippery slope and strawman), and your argument is totally misguided. The government of Italy is not deciding what treatments can be denied, it is saying that a person has a right to informed choice, something violated by Watchtower through forcing the refusal of blood by theologically incorrect doctrine, and misinformation on blood.

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Australian Congregations announce Child Safeguarding Policy is available upon request

by wifibandit in

this week all congregations in australia have been instructed to make the following announcement:.

if a member of the congregation would like a copy of the child safeguarding policy of jehovah’s witnesses in australia, please see the coordinator of the body of elders or the secretary.. .

childsafeguardingpolicy-eau.pdf.

jwfacts

This is terribly disappointing. The announcement that will go over most followers heads, and those that ask will be immediately flagged to be watched by the elders, since showing any knowledge of the ARC is going to been seen as potentially an apostate.

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Business Slow at JW Literature Trolley

by Athanasius in

yesterday i stopped at a local shopping center to pick up a few things.

i arrived at 9:45 am and two jw ladies had already set up their literature trolley and had opened for business.

but i didn't see anyone stopping by and taking advantage of their free literature.

jwfacts

So, pointing to the other JW literature trolley only thirty feet away, I said: "Looks like you have some competition."
To which the JW lady explained: "They have Spanish literature. We also have Spanish literature, so please take what you like."

Classic, and their response was spoken like the true sales people they are.

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Is ignorance an excuse?

by stuckinarut2 in

i have always maintained that i hold nothing personally against individual witnesses, even those that have actively slandered our name and reputation based on the actions of some individuals.. i have often said that all these ones, (even the ones spreading gossip), are victims of the culture of the organization, and the directions of the gb.. but recently i have been rethinking this, and wonder if ignorance is really an acceptable excuse?.

i mean, with so much information now readily available about the society, its origins, its scandals, issues and conduct, is it simply ok for a witness to remain wilfully ignorant about the organization that dictates every aspect of their lives?.

is ignorance an excuse?.

jwfacts

According to JWs, ignorance is not an excuse that gets you through Armageddon

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River flowing from the garden of Eden

by joey jojo in

hey there.. if this point has been covered before please forgive me.. i have had the principles of noahs flood used by jw's to encourage me to attend meetings recently and this has got me musing about the flood....again.. genesis states that a river flowed from eden and branched out into four rivers, two of which being the tigris and the euphrates.. heres the baffling part; if it had never rained before, how is it that rivers existed before the flood?!!?.

a brief google search tells us that the euphrates begins its journey as snow melt and rain ( as most rivers do) in mountains in turkey.. ecc chapter 1 mentions the water cycle and describes the rivers flowing into the sea but the sea not becoming full.

how did it work pre-flood?

jwfacts

I have had the principles of Noahs flood used by JW's to encourage me to attend meetings recently and this has got me musing about the flood....again.

Depending on what outcome you are after, you could through Noah back at the person and say that any religion that teaches Noah's flood as literal is not the truth and hence you won't be going back. Then go over the endless reasons why it is impossible.

Genesis states that a river flowed from Eden and branched out into four rivers, two of which being the Tigris and the Euphrates.

Good point that there could be no mighty rivers without rain, something I had never thought of before. Further is that the Tigris and Euphrates existed according to Genesis before the flood, and afterward. A global flood, particularly the Watchtower one that completely changed the landscape and pushed Mount Everest 9km high, would have erased these rivers. The fact they remained after the flood shows the flood was just local, or figurative.

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Crop circles

by Chook in

what causes them ?.

jwfacts

In Tasmania they are caused by wallabies high on Opium in the poppy fields.

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ARC Case Study 54 - List all media reports here for future reference

by jwleaks in

http://www.smh.com.au/national/inside-the-jehovahs-witnesses-a-perfect-storm-for-abuse-20170309-guukur.html .

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2017/03/10/jehovah-s-witnesses-to-face-abuse-inquiry.html .

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/03/10/03/31/uniting-church-witnesses-focus-of-inquiry .

jwfacts

O’Brien said hundreds were reported, although not by the organisation because it was left to the elders handling the case or the parents.

I am confused about this and wonder if this is exactly what O'Brien said.

That is what Terry said. I see this as trying to distance the organisation from any legal liability and put in on the shoulders of the elders. Further, whilst he makes it seems elders had been left with the responsibility to report, the reality is that they never did, but left it up to the parents; in fact, regularly discouraged parents from reporting as well.

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Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

by DATA-DOG in

with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

jwfacts

Deuteronomy 19:15
15 “No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established.

Two Witnesses is a valid principle, but not required to be taken literally in every occasion, either in the Bible or Watchtower doctrine.

For instance, Watchtower does not force an adult rape victim to confront the rapist, even though Matthew 18 says that should be the case.

Matthew 18:15,16 "Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

Deuteronomy 22 shows that if a girl is raped and no one was there to help her, hence no two witnesses to the rape, her rapist could still be found guilty and put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27 “If, however, the man happened to meet the engaged girl in the field and the man overpowered her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her is to die by himself, and you must do nothing to the girl. The girl has not committed a sin deserving of death. This case is the same as when a man attacks his fellow man and murders him. For he happened to meet her in the field, and the engaged girl screamed, but there was no one to rescue her."

Each of these Scriptures are directed at adults and not children.

Since there is leeway in how to apply this principle, then there is no doubt that when a child's safety is at stake, every precaution should be taken to protect the child from the first indication of danger.

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Talked to a JW at a literature stand today

by nevermind in

guys,.

i need your help in trying to wrap my head around this strange experience i had today talking with a jw lady sitting at a literature table in a busy outdoor shopping center.. i'm a very shy person, but i always wanted to ask these jws at their literature stands questions to start them thinking about the validity of watchtower teaching.

i finally mustered my strength today to talk to this jw lady.

jwfacts

I don't think she was lying. What she is saying about 1914 and 1975 is how the Watchtower dishonestly describes their history. Higher education is not forbidden as a disfellowshipping sin, but more of a conscience matter, so some JW's do go. It is hard to pin down a JW when you know more than they do about their religion. Add cognitive dissonance and you understand why seemingly intelligent and logical people can belong to such cults.