Posts by jwfacts

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UK Memorial attendances up this year?!

by Isambard Crater in

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my congregation had around 25 more people at the memorial last night than last year, and the two other congregations i have family in all experienced a similar increase in about 25 more people present.

umm, i'm surprised, having thought this year would see a memorial decline again.

and i'm kind of disappointed..

jwfacts

Jehovah's Witnesses are a superstitious bunch, always looking for signs that the end is about to occur. With Trump as president and his sparring with Putin, they will be thinking King of the North and South. A war in Syria, persecution in Russia, an earthquake, famine in Somalia, and their indoctrination must be on high alert.

You may think that the Australian Royal Commission would have an affect, but just a fraction of JWs even know about this. Yet they all can see the unrest in the world. The sad thing is the total ignorance, as the world is still the most peaceful it has ever been.

What do people think the memorial attendance will be this year? It was 20,085,142 in 2016 and the growth over the last 2 years has been a miserable -0.4% and 1.1%.This year I expect the growth to be more than that, probably more than 2%.

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You will be with me in Paradise

by AmyWatson916 in

i'm reading a book called, "what to do when they knock".

it points out that on page 36 of the 2014 "what does the bible really teach?

" book jesus promises the criminal, "you will be with me in paradise.

jwfacts

Watchtower teaches that paradise is earth, and the evil doer will have an earthly resurrection sometime in the future. Jesus will rule in heaven, so he will be "with" the man in spirit only, figuratively. Great how regularly Watchtower throws in the concept of a comment being figurative in order to change the meaning to fit their doctrine.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130301/you-will-be-with-me-in-paradise/ is their official explanation, and a great example of how they can twist words without any backing. The article basically dismisses the scripture by saying it does not suit their interpretation.

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To those taking a stand and not attending the Memorial tonight

by doubtfull1799 in

i salute you.

many of you, like me, are probably under enormous emotional pressure, whether from a lingering false sense of guilt from your indoctrination, whether from "invitations," and assumptions that you'll naturally be coming, or whether from outright emotional blackmail, even begging and pleading.

i am thinking of you whoever you are, all of you, even though i don't know you in person.

jwfacts

Onager - If it was last night, Monday, then why the frick did I have a JW knock on my door at about 2pm with a flyer? Did they honestly expect me to get ready and go to an event that same evening?

They don't expect you to attend. They are just marking you for destruction at Armageddon for not attending.

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I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping

by Isambard Crater in

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i'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?

part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.

it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..

jwfacts

JW's are banned in other countries, so why do you feel what is happening in Russia is of any relevance? It is superstitious thinking.

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Have a friend who only speaks Spanish and want him/her to learn TTATT? www.verdadtj.com

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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if you have a friend who only speaks spanish, or they speak english but spanish is their preferred language, i am pleased to tell you that there is a spanish translation of jwfacts in progress.

so far, these are the completely translated articles:asociación de la watchtower con las naciones unidas - un ngo associationcelebración de los cumpleaños - birthdayslas transfusiones de sangre - bloodpredicción fallida de 1975 - 1975¿por qué está mal el ser un testigo de jehová?

- what's wrong with being a jw?escándalos de la watchtower - watchtower scandalsexpulsión y rechazo - disfellowshippingfolleto general acerca de la watchtower - pdf - general pdf about wtvideo - crecer como testigo de jehová - growing up a jw¿debería estar jehová en el nuevo testamento?

jwfacts

Great work. Thanks for all your help.

I doubt many people comprehend just how much work is involved in translating these articles, particularly with many older quotes not being in Spanish, or appearing in different editions from English.

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Just a quick Poll...Do you think the GB is sincere?

by NikL in

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i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.

is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.

they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.

jwfacts

You group the Governing as if they are a single person. The sincerity varies amongst the different members,

Ray Franz once sent me an email where he explained that some were sincere and some were in it for the power.

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Aren't you a bit amazed that the WTS/JWS is still around ?

by Finkelstein in

i know i am, to me its a bit of a peculiar anomaly that the wts is still around and functioning in reflection of its decades and now complete century that the wts has been bullshitting to people .

organizations like the church of god have shrunk dramatically from its heyday of the 1980's, this too was another organization that spread and grew by publishing its own magazine proclaiming a armageddon soon doctrine and its main publication was called " the truth " .

i'm guessing some of this has to do with the fact that people who get lured into this cult aren't aware of its past, its doctrines, the people who started it and so forth.

jwfacts

You could say that about any religion. Jesus indicated he would return 2000 years ago, and didn't, yet Christianity survives. Humans are emotionally unintelligent enough that religion, include Watchtower's peculiar version, will survive for the foreseeable future.

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"Forced" study with an Elder - The first question i will pose, help appreciated.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello folks.

as some of you might know my dad couldnt keep quiet about my view of the world, so i have been "forced" to study with an elder.

otherwise i would be dragged to questioning, which is to much pressure for a young inexperienced person like me.

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https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/144000.php

has some figures to show that there have already been more than 144,000.

You could run through the scripture being figurative and that there seems to have need more than 144,000, and then ask "when do you think there will be new light and the doctrine be changed to being a figurative number?" Then when it happens the elder will recall what you said and remember you, maybe even as a prophet.

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Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"

by doubtfull1799 in

this from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.

"keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.

because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .

jwfacts

Well spotted, doublespeak at its finest. What issue and page?

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Blood problems in Italy

by OrphanCrow in

in february 2017, the european association of jehovah's witnesses made a "submission to un human rights committee subsequent to the adoption of the list of issues on the sixth periodic report of italy".. the 119th session of the human rights committee is currently underway - the dates are march 6 - march 29.. the wts has been trying to get "intesa" status in italy for decades and this latest submission to the un highlights the problems the jws are encountering in italy concerning the blood taboo.. this link will take you to a downloadable word document that is the wt's submission being considered:.

http://tbinternet.ohchr.org/treaties/ccpr/shared%20documents/ita/int_ccpr_css_ita_26670_e.docx.

23676 of 2008: mr grassato (one of jehovah’s witnesses) was unconscious when admitted to the hospital.

jwfacts

But it should also be looked at as a slippery slope, if a government can tell you what medical procedures you should or should not accept then that is when a problem does come in. It does apply to doctors as well. It is your body you get to decide what medical treatments you allow and which you deny.

You are using two classic Rhetorical fallacies (slippery slope and strawman), and your argument is totally misguided. The government of Italy is not deciding what treatments can be denied, it is saying that a person has a right to informed choice, something violated by Watchtower through forcing the refusal of blood by theologically incorrect doctrine, and misinformation on blood.