Posts by jwfacts

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Baptism during Covid - pool must tough the ground?

by jwfacts in

the july 2020 announcements mentions that baptism can be held in an “inflatable pool” as long as it touches the ground.

the pool must not be “on a terrace, flat roof, balcony, etc.”.

has anyone ever noticed that as a requirement?.

jwfacts

The July 2020 Announcements mentions that baptism can be held in an “inflatable pool” as long as it touches the ground. The pool must not be “on a terrace, flat roof, balcony, etc.”.

Has anyone ever noticed that as a requirement?

I was baptised in an iron bath tub on a Wooden school hall stage, and am not sure that satisfies the requirement of being in contact with the ground. Not that it matters. Even if my baptism was not valid in the eyes of God, it was binding enough in the eyes of men to warrant my disfellowshipping.

Edit to acknowledge the title should be touch, not tough. The quote was in fact “in contact with the ground.”

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The Cry of Peace And Security

by jwfacts in

a bit late in coming, but i have a new article on the cry of peace and security at https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/peace-and-security.php.

this was prompted by trump using the term peace and security a few times in 2017 and 2018, and the excitement this generated amongst jehovah's witnesses.

i would love to see other quotes you like on this topic, or texts and experiences..

jwfacts

Thanks Room 215, though a lot of it is just information I collated from what has been posted across different forums.

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The Cry of Peace And Security

by jwfacts in

a bit late in coming, but i have a new article on the cry of peace and security at https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/peace-and-security.php.

this was prompted by trump using the term peace and security a few times in 2017 and 2018, and the excitement this generated amongst jehovah's witnesses.

i would love to see other quotes you like on this topic, or texts and experiences..

jwfacts

A bit late in coming, but I have a new article on the cry of peace and security at https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/peace-and-security.php

This was prompted by Trump using the term peace and security a few times in 2017 and 2018, and the excitement this generated amongst Jehovah's Witnesses.

I would love to see other quotes you like on this topic, or texts and experiences.

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The Motive of the Governing Body

by jwfacts in

i have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.

however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.

it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.

jwfacts

Thanks for all the great comments. I have made changes as suggested, and fixed a few spelling mistakes.

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The Motive of the Governing Body

by jwfacts in

i have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.

however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.

it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.

jwfacts

I have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources. However, I found some old emails from Ray Franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question I regularly receive. It is in regards to the motive of Governing Body members.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/governing-body-motives.php

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Who make up the new memorial partakers?

by jwfacts in

when the doctrine regarding 1935 being the close of the calling was done away with in 2007, it was not unexpected to see the number rise.

over the next few years it went from around 8,500 to 10,500. this seemed to indicate that there were a couple of thousand people that may have felt they had the calling all along, but too shy to profess it.

for the 30 year period between the mid 1978 and 2007, parktakers had barely dropped.

jwfacts

Continuing to report a rising number makes it seem Watchtower is being somewhat honest about the number partaking. However, they don’t count all partakers. An apostate took the emblems when i was in Parramatta congregation and the elders advised not to count him as a partaker, so it seems the number is filtered down to only include Jehovah’s Witnesses in good standing. No doubt many of those that are counted are viewed with suspicion as well.

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Who make up the new memorial partakers?

by jwfacts in

when the doctrine regarding 1935 being the close of the calling was done away with in 2007, it was not unexpected to see the number rise.

over the next few years it went from around 8,500 to 10,500. this seemed to indicate that there were a couple of thousand people that may have felt they had the calling all along, but too shy to profess it.

for the 30 year period between the mid 1978 and 2007, parktakers had barely dropped.

jwfacts

That makes it all the more intriguing. Knowing how the GB and probably congregation judges new partakers, why are the numbers still going up? Also, I thought the long term members with such a desire would have jumped on board a decade ago, so what demographic make up the latest ones?

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Who make up the new memorial partakers?

by jwfacts in

when the doctrine regarding 1935 being the close of the calling was done away with in 2007, it was not unexpected to see the number rise.

over the next few years it went from around 8,500 to 10,500. this seemed to indicate that there were a couple of thousand people that may have felt they had the calling all along, but too shy to profess it.

for the 30 year period between the mid 1978 and 2007, parktakers had barely dropped.

jwfacts

When the doctrine regarding 1935 being the close of the calling was done away with in 2007, it was not unexpected to see the number rise. Over the next few years it went from around 8,500 to 10,500. This seemed to indicate that there were a couple of thousand people that may have felt they had the calling all along, but too shy to profess it.

For the 30 year period between the mid 1978 and 2007, parktakers had barely dropped. There were always a few people that would start taking and then stop going to meetings, and so the flatlining seemed mostly due to "unworthy" ones claiming to be anointed.

However, the number continues to rise, and now is over 20,000, which is not something I expected. Who are these new partakers? Is it mostly new converts, or older ones that are starting to change their belief? Does anyone have experiences of who are now beginning to claim to be anointed?

I have just updated https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/memorial-partakers.php with the latest numbers.

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No Need To Preach In Every Country Anymore

by pale.emperor in

speaking to a pimo from my hometown yesterday.

he told me that in the watchtower study (10 nov 2019) regarding “the great tribulation” the elder on the platform said that there’s no need for jws to preach in every country in order to fulfil the prophecy, and therefore the org has already fulfilled that prophecy.

and that there’s nothing else left to wait for now but for “the great tribulation” to come.. gasps of delight came from the audience.. has anyone else heard this?

jwfacts

Watchtower has made this claim a number of times over the years. Since population growth makes it impossible for them to ever literally meet every person on earth, they have to come up with such excuses, otherwise the end would never come.

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Memorial date

by DomineIvimus-DI in

can someone please help me with this, if you’ve looked into it before?.

i read somewhere that the witnesses didn’t celebrate the memorial on nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

i did a quick google check - seems next years memorial is on tuesday (nisan 13) rather than the wednesday, nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

jwfacts

Check out https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/209120/why-memorial-held-on-wrong-day

Watchtower loosely bases it calculations on the Jewish Karaite sects determination for Nissan 14.