"most of those children who stayed JWs are now teaching their grandchildren they will never finish school"
That's the most difficult part to comprehend. These people know they were misled, yet continue with the same lies to their own children.
i was looking through a watchtower publication that i bought recently, and found this quote about children & armageddon:.
our theme "rearing children in divine favor" does not refer to the rearing of the children of armageddon survivors in that new world when all surrounding conditions and all forces in operation will be toward helping those who live to do righteousness.
no; but it refers to rearing children who are born now before the battle of armageddon.
"most of those children who stayed JWs are now teaching their grandchildren they will never finish school"
That's the most difficult part to comprehend. These people know they were misled, yet continue with the same lies to their own children.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140212093300.htm.
elevated brain aluminium, early onset alzheimer's disease in an individual occupationally exposed to aluminiumdate:february 12, 2014 source:keele university summary:research has shown for the first time that an individual who was exposed to aluminum at work and died of alzheimers disease had high levels of aluminum in the brain.
while aluminum is a known neurotoxin and occupational exposure to aluminum has been implicated in neurological disease, including alzheimers disease, this finding is believed to be the first record of a direct link between alzheimers disease and elevated brain aluminum following occupational exposure to the metal.
technically no, rutherford didn't just dream up alumimum being dangerous, he took it from other research and stories going on.
The reason there was so much discussion about aluminium during Rutherford's time is that production of aluminium had not become commercially feasible until the 1880s, and so as is common with anything that is new, some people were concerned about the long term effects. Personally, I think the reason Rutherford hated it was because the original manufacturing companies were making a lot of money out of aluminium production.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140212093300.htm.
elevated brain aluminium, early onset alzheimer's disease in an individual occupationally exposed to aluminiumdate:february 12, 2014 source:keele university summary:research has shown for the first time that an individual who was exposed to aluminum at work and died of alzheimers disease had high levels of aluminum in the brain.
while aluminum is a known neurotoxin and occupational exposure to aluminum has been implicated in neurological disease, including alzheimers disease, this finding is believed to be the first record of a direct link between alzheimers disease and elevated brain aluminum following occupational exposure to the metal.
It can show correlation but not causation.
Exactly. There are millions of people with Alzheimers that don't have high traces aluminium, so I don't see how they can claim causation from one person with high aluminum level. Futhermore, this person had extreme levels of exposure that cannot be related to a person that may have small exposure to aluminium.
Aluminum is the 3rd most abundant element on earth and occurs naturally in the body in small amounts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c7ptao4imsm.
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brilliant
so as not to hijack logcon's thread about crazy things jw's have said to householders, i'd like to start one about just plain old odd jw's.. for example, i knew this dear, dear senior brother who would carry a small bag of peanuts in one pocket of his suit coat and a small plastic bag of brown sugar in the other.. during that time, we would stay out all day long because the territory was extensive.. can't you just picture that precious soul alternately tossing a few peanuts/crumbs of sugar into his mouth as he schlepped from house to trailer, from trailer to house?.
the householders would usually offer us water, lemonade, kool-aid, or soda pops, so no problem with finding something to quench our thirsts.. those were the days!.
sylvia.
Reminds me of many JWs I have known. The craziest were often the ones most devoted to the field service. I guess with few friends or family there was not much else to take up their time. I was always embarrassed that they were what people judge JWs by. No wonder few convert, and it was disturbing that Jehovah would have to kill so many people at Armageddon, because they did not listen to the "life-saving" message delivered by some wierd stranger on their door.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/10728126/mcewan-condemns-perverse-and-inhumane-decisions-of-religious-parents.html.
non religious people are better at making reasonable, compassionate judgements, ian mcewan argues, as he condemns the "utterly perverse and inhumane" decision of religious parents allowing their children to die.. mcewan, the author of atonement, on chesil beach and enduring love, said he believed religion to be "distinctly unhelpful" in making rational choices.. his new book, the children's act, will explore the issues of the family courts, and the heartbreaking decisions faced when parents insist their child must die for religious reasons.. speaking at the oxford literary festival, mcewan used the examples of jehovah's witnesses who refused a blood transfusion for their son, and catholic parents who insisted their conjoined twins must not be separated.. his plot, finished only last week, will follow the judge's decision on whether to save the stronger twin at the expense of his dying brother.. .
when asked whether he had learned anything from his time observing medical decisions in the family courts, he said: "i found generally that religion was distinctly unhelpful in making compassionate, reasonable judgments about people's lives.. "on the whole, the secular mind seems far superior in making reasonable judgments.. "especially with the jehovah's witness, where parents allow their children to die because of some theological line invented in 1945 by a committee, seems to be utterly perverse and inhumane.".
Very interesting, thanks for posting.
10 hours ago, " another malicious propaganda against jehova's witnesse!!".
"he is not a jehova's witness!!
!thois a big lie against jehova's witnesses!
It shows how strong the cognitive dissonance is. JW's are regularly making these sorts of comments on the internet in the face of clear proof they are wrong. There is a link on jw.org of that very video, yet these types of JW's are saying it does not exist. They call it an apostate lie, and then refuse to click on the link in case it proves them wrong. I saw a similar discussion the other day regarding disfellowshipping.
i'm sure most of you have read bits and pieces of my story throughout the last year being on this site.
i've decided as a human being, and as an adult, i'm going to make the decision on whether to stay with the jw religion or leave it.
i of course have many doubts about the organization which has lead me to do research.
Good on you Br Mike. Sounds like you are doing things in a sensible manner.
my daughter came home from school and said they are doing some cards at school for mother's day and asked me if that was ok. i looked and just smiled and said darlin, just make a lovely mothers day card and make sure to put lots of love from dad on it too .
that is the reason the watchtower leaders are desperately trying to protect their indoctrinated supporters from being influenced by the critics.. it will get harder and harder to recruit in countries where the internet is easily accessible...the watchtower has no control over the public like it does the indoctrinated jws.
..any interested person can very easily google and learn the truth about the watchtower cult before a 'return visit' can be made.
although most jws would be afraid to go into 'apostate ' sites, more and more are waking up to the truth about the watchtower , their interest triggered by different reasons such as the child abuse cover up, the constantly changing doctrines,the downsizing etc.
dang near impossible, from now on for JWs to attract qualitynew ones (from the outside)
That really is the point. It is already hard to recruit quality people. Any educated, thinking person is going to research prior to joining, in which case it is virtually impossible to fall for the false logic.
I have seen recent discussions with JWs online, and the answer to any question is "read jw.org" without any attempt to even reason on the subject. For instance, in one the thread went like this:
Q - How is it loving for a JW to shun disfellowshipped children? (see article on shunning)
JW A - We don't shun. Don't believe what hateful apostates say. Read jw.org
Q - See this Watchtower quote, which says you shun
JW A - Read JW.org if you want the answer.