Posts by jwfacts

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Christadelphian

by Billy1000 in

my name is stephen and i am new to the forum.

i am a christadelphian and through my discussions with fellow members of my ecclesia it has inspired me to reach out to other religions to find out exactly what others believe to enhance my own faith and further bring me closer to our heavenly father.

in no way do i mean disrespect if it has been caused.

jwfacts

I am shunned by all JW family and friends. Fortunately some have also left so I do have some contact with my past.

It is actually quite saddening how so many can be hurt by teachings which are supposed to be used for good.

What makes you think that. The New Testament is political, bringing the out of date Old Testament in line with more enlightened Greek philosophy. Jesus spoke of bringing enmity between family. Paul speaks of the destructive judgement of God on unbelievers. Modern day interpretation tries to downplay the evil of the Bible, but if you go back and read it cover to cover for what it really says you will find it very different to what you have been raised to believe it says, through the concentration of a few favourite verses.

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Christadelphian

by Billy1000 in

my name is stephen and i am new to the forum.

i am a christadelphian and through my discussions with fellow members of my ecclesia it has inspired me to reach out to other religions to find out exactly what others believe to enhance my own faith and further bring me closer to our heavenly father.

in no way do i mean disrespect if it has been caused.

jwfacts

Here is a link to short shunning experiences of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is heartbreaking to read how people are abandoned for decades by their family for not wanting to be part of the religion. They never truly get over the pain. Jehovah's Witnesses say it is loving, because unless the child returns to following Watchtower doctrine, they will not survive Armageddon. Yet they have been saying that for over 100 years, and generations of families have died shunning family without the arrival of Armageddon. Whilst JWs say this is loving, they will say it is heartless for Mormons, Amish and Christadelphians for doing the same, since each of those religions are false and part of Satan's system.

Notice how each of these religions have a similar message, yet their children are indoctrinated to believe it that they are somehow uniquely acceptable to God. This is why I think the concept of a single true religion is dangerous.

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What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?

by EndofMysteries in

this seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.

right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?

the electrical signals in the brain?

jwfacts

If you died, but your brain was preserved and many years later implanted or reactivated, would it be you?

That is the JW concept of resurrection. As a JW did you feel it would be the same person?

I believe consciousness will be able to be transferred in the future. Consciousness is a combination of our thoughts and feelings, an interaction of chemical and electrical processes. Computers are getting to the point where they can think in a similar way to humans, and once this is combined with a reward system then a robot will be conscious in a similar way that humans are.

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Christadelphian

by Billy1000 in

my name is stephen and i am new to the forum.

i am a christadelphian and through my discussions with fellow members of my ecclesia it has inspired me to reach out to other religions to find out exactly what others believe to enhance my own faith and further bring me closer to our heavenly father.

in no way do i mean disrespect if it has been caused.

jwfacts

So why all the hate, most people in here have made up their mind to leave and i am guessing everyone has different reasons, but why come back to a forum to discuss?

This forum consists largely of people looking for answers about the JW religion, and those that have moved past that stage and are willing to assist. High control religious groups do a huge amount of emotional damage to their followers. We have been through that, and it is satisfying to help others get through the process in the best manner possible.

ExChristadelphians are of the same mind. The Christadelphian practices of separateness from the world, and disfellowshipping are methods of undue influence that are very similar to how Watchtower controls their members, and cause huge issues for members that do not believe the doctrine and wish to leave. Forums such as this and exChristadelphian websites save thousands of lives, as it is not uncommon for people that leave high control religious sects to go through periods of depression and to become suicidal.

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Best pills meds or other to take before meeting?

by Crazyguy in

thought it would be good to share what ones take to deal with the meetings.

jwfacts

Weed.

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Christadelphian

by Billy1000 in

my name is stephen and i am new to the forum.

i am a christadelphian and through my discussions with fellow members of my ecclesia it has inspired me to reach out to other religions to find out exactly what others believe to enhance my own faith and further bring me closer to our heavenly father.

in no way do i mean disrespect if it has been caused.

jwfacts

Yes i would agree with you that many people and many religions believe that unless you are part of their religion you have no hope
However i believe and i know that many others believe now that that is not true
... three things to get eternal life.
..
Repent and be baptised

This is a contradiction, since you believe eternal life is based on being a Christian. Yet half the world know nothing of Christianity and have no opportunity to ever be baptised. Such a belief is an relic from a past time when people had no idea of how large the world was or the varied belief systems of the different continents.

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Un-****ing-Believable

by OneFingerSalute in

just a few observations from this morning.

.. this morning as i was trying to choke back the bile that kept wanting to come up during the wt study one comment in particular screamed cult.. towards the very end as comments were being made about "counseling" others with "gracious" words one of the uber-dub minstral-serpents made this comment, "we see in the last image that the brother is holding a bible as he counsels the other brother.

we look closely at the picture and we can know exactly what he is counseling the brother about.

jwfacts

1 Corinthians 8: 9 which says, "But keep watching that your right to choose does not somehow become a stumbling block to those who are weak."

I always found this a paradox. It would be impossible to comply to every whim of every weak persons conscience. I would have replied:

"I am stumbled that people are imposing their conscience on me about not having a beard, when it is not spoken against in the Bible, in fact the opposite, beards are very much part of Bible fashion. Please tell these people to stop going beyond the word of God."

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Christadelphian

by Billy1000 in

my name is stephen and i am new to the forum.

i am a christadelphian and through my discussions with fellow members of my ecclesia it has inspired me to reach out to other religions to find out exactly what others believe to enhance my own faith and further bring me closer to our heavenly father.

in no way do i mean disrespect if it has been caused.

jwfacts

Welcome.

JWs and Christadelphians are very similar. Were you raised a Christadelphian? I was raised a JW, and one thing I could not come to terms with is that through an accident of birth I was to be saved, but everyone else, (including you), were to die at Armageddon.

I now find organised religion to be highly offensive. Most religious groups believe that you need to belong to their sect, or the tenet their sect is part of, in order to be acceptable to God. Yet a person has even less say over what they believe about God than what language they speak, it is predominantly due to where they are born.

Before looking into doctrine, you should research the history of the Bible canon. There is no consensus on which books even belong, since the canon was formed after hundreds of years of disagreement, and varies between Christian groups.

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Fidel Castro and the WT

by Hecce in

i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

jwfacts

Since Castro was so harsh on religion, how did the ratio of JWs become so high?

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What's a word that describes the way Witnesses behave as a group?

by paul from cleveland in

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friends

i can't recall the word that describes a group that keeps to itself like the witnesses do.

i thought it was "insular" but i don't think that's the one i'm looking for after reading the definition.

i remember an elder using the word "clannish" and that has the proper definition but it reminds me of a group of elves.

jwfacts

Instead of the term Watchtower coins of unity, the more appropriate term is conformity.