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  Grocery Store conversation with an elder

  by problemaddict 2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm inactive here to the local jw's as i have faded.

  i've been slandered and all that, shunned by some but not all, but the elders basically leave me alone.

  i still run into to people all over though.

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  Brilliant come back.

  When he tells other people about bumping into you and your son, he will probably leave out the last part of your exchange together.
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  If Apostle Paul had been living in our time, would he have written certain things he did?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) he wrote woman are not qualified to teach (1 corinthians 14:34).

  in my experience, i have been taught by both teachers—male and female.

  some of the female teachers were too wonderfully effective.

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  Paul's beliefs were a product of his environment and times. His true genius was being instrumental in building a religion tenet that is now the world's largest. I imagine if he was born today, he would use his lust for power, drive and intelligence to become immensely wealthy running large capitalist corporations.
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  What would Watchtower be like now with out the 1975 fiasco.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  no doubt this has been discussed before, but if the 1975 event had never happened where would watchtower be now.

  comments please..

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  1975 turned out to be a great marketing ploy. It is a bit like giving away a free trial, the ones to leave don't matter, what matters is that you end up with more customers than if you hadn't given the free trial.

  The tremendous growth pre-1975 was far greater than the number that left, and the children of those converts are the elders and parents of many of the current crop of followers.

  Get them in at any cost, and then let the indoctrination do it's work to keep as many in as possible.
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  The Internet is worse for the Watchtower than 1975 was: here's proof.

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am translating jwfacts to spanish.

  i am doing the "statistics" section.here are two graphs that show that the statistics have never been worse for the watchtower:quantity of hours required for 1 baptism: note how low it went in 1974-1975, and note that 2016 is much higher than the slump of 1978... about double, to be exact.

  2016 was a historical record in this statistic (higher is worse for watchtower).. this stat is the baptisms as a percentage of the publisher average.

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  SBF- thanks for the link. The information is fairly general, so does not really present any solid conclusions. It is interesting to see that the growth of Mormons has not collapsed as much as JWs. Although their beliefs seem crazier than JWs, (although the "never die" teaching of JWs is crazy with far greater ramifications) they are more integrated into society, which seems to go a long way in those involved being content not to look elsewhere.
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  The Internet is worse for the Watchtower than 1975 was: here's proof.

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am translating jwfacts to spanish.

  i am doing the "statistics" section.here are two graphs that show that the statistics have never been worse for the watchtower:quantity of hours required for 1 baptism: note how low it went in 1974-1975, and note that 2016 is much higher than the slump of 1978... about double, to be exact.

  2016 was a historical record in this statistic (higher is worse for watchtower).. this stat is the baptisms as a percentage of the publisher average.

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  Pornography

  I am surprised this is not getting a mention. Internet pornography is changing attitudes to sex. It is readily available and IMO a reason there are a shortage of brothers reaching out. The higher that people get up the cult ladder, the harder to leave. Conversely, all those that are holding back for reasons of porn based uncleanness are more likely to become inactive or fade.
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  The Internet is worse for the Watchtower than 1975 was: here's proof.

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am translating jwfacts to spanish.

  i am doing the "statistics" section.here are two graphs that show that the statistics have never been worse for the watchtower:quantity of hours required for 1 baptism: note how low it went in 1974-1975, and note that 2016 is much higher than the slump of 1978... about double, to be exact.

  2016 was a historical record in this statistic (higher is worse for watchtower).. this stat is the baptisms as a percentage of the publisher average.

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  SBF - Mormons did an analysis of their figures and concluded the Internet was not an important factor in growth or decline.
  

  I would like to see their reasoning.

  When it is said that the internet is not the only factor, do they mean that apostate sites are not the only factor, or the internet in general. Whilst apostate sites have limited reach, the Internet is critical to the collapse of Watchtower and religion in general.

  There are a range of factors in addition to apostate sites. The generation changes since 1995, 100 years of no-show from Jesus in 2014, porn and the relaxation of attitudes to sex, the rise of acceptance of homosexuality, finding support groups through social media. Each of these have some relationship to the internet and access to information in general.

  The decline of religion in general is largely to do with information, which is being more and more rapidly dispersed due to the internet. There are two areas that information helps, the shrinking God of the Gaps due to Science, and the realization that it does not make sense to say God resides in only one religion, when religion affiliation is mostly decided by one's place of birth.

  I don't know how it would be possible to work out how much affect each attribute has to the overall decline of Watchtower, but it needs to be recognized that the internet is tied very much to so many of the reasons for declining growth.
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  JWs biggest problem is not doctrinal issues

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's biggest problems are associated with its lack of genuine love and concern for the rank& file.

  the average person doesn't need a food critic to tell them their hamburger is shit, in the same manner the average person can discern kindness and love.

  gbs fake love and concern is evident in the way head office deals with victims of sexual abuse by jw clergy.

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  Doctrine is rarely the way to convince a JW that the religion is wrong. Most don't feel qualified to question doctrine. If they trust the Governing Body they will dismiss inconsistencies and questions. It is emotional and trust issues that are more likely to raise doubts.
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  New Research at AJWRB

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

  the numbers are staggering.

  http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

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  A very good article and the figures calculated are reasonable, erring on the side of caution. I mentioned this on a radio interview recently. Because the deaths happen silently and over a longer span of time, there is not the outrage and attention that Jonestown received, despite the net affect being far higher and ongoing.
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  Quotes: "Since 1914 and 1918 enemies have become more vicious"

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a proof for 1914!.

  enemies, .

  https://archive.org/stream/enemiesbyjudgerutherford1937/1937-enemies#page/n11/mode/1up.

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  Another comment to prove Rutherford a fraud.

  In Bible times, the Israelites were instructed to commit genocide. Well not quite, the Israelite soldiers were allowed to keep the virgins to rape. Through most of history, war has resulted in the enemies being slaughtered, including civilians and soldiers. Look at war now. If a civilian is accidentally killed in war, it is a major scandal.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Surely not killing each other is a very basic Christian requirement.
  

  How? Christianity accepts the Bible, not just a few choice quotes from Jesus, and killing non believers is a key message of the Bible.

  On another track, the concept of pacifism is impossible without a dominant force the protect the pacifists, and JW's would not exist if it were not for Christians that have used violence to protect their freedom.

  This is a totally different topic though.