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  Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead

  by Viviane in

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  recently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.

  i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.

  first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.

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  Where did you learn about Boolean operations?

  Great logic here. Loved it.
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  A brilliant psychologist

  by voodoo lady in

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  i've been seeing a brilliant psychologist.

  he has been pivotal in drawing the parallels between my jw upbringing - specifically the hypocrisy i saw as a child - and the reason i've tolerated lies and inconsistencies in my most significant adult relationship.. i've seen one other psychologist in the past.

  she didn't get the issues surrounding the religion whatsoever, didn't regard that aspect of my backstory as relevant, and was of little help to me.. has anyone else seen a psychologist - whether for help with coping in the aftermath of leaving the religion, or for seemingly unrelated issues that actually turned out to be related?

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  Hi voodoo!

  Yes, I have been seeing a clinical psycologist for many years (not a counselor ...lol) and she has truly helped me vacate the guilt of being in the organization. The lies had really done a number to me and the therapy was always positive. She helped me to appreciate that I was not bipolar as some had said, but was suffering from post-cult after effects. Symptoms were depression and suicidal thoughts, sense of isolation, guilt(of course, right) and confusion over right and wrong.

  I am so happy you found your way out! Keep up with the sessions. I hope they make you feel a world better! We deserve to be free! 😄
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  Growing number of memorial partakers explained(?) by local elder

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i brought this up in a conversation after today's meeting.

  the elder knowingly acknowledged the growing number and pointed out that of course, now we understand why this is so.

  i gave my best blank stare and said "we do?

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  KillerJones

  It is very clear from this overlapping graph below on memorial partakers. Any 'real' JW understands this...
  
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  Constructive hobbies

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hm have a hobby?

  im not asking what.. hm have taken up a constructive hobby since leaving?.

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  I have had more time to hit the gym and read some very good novels. I am taking PT courses at a local university in the evenings(on the old meeting nights) and have got involved with a charity. I feel bad for not being more charitable when under their veil. Why are they so uncharitable?
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  Any answer will do...

  by snare&racket in

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  2. friends

  every jw is subconsciously taught to plough on with their message at any cost, including, ironically, the truth.. we all did it, we all defended our beliefs or partook in bible studies, where we made up an answer on the spot with the only motivation being to get past the question and back to the sales pitch, or back to the sanctioned questions, in their books.

  something that bugs me to this day!

  who is so controlling so as to even provide people with their own questions!!!.

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  KillerJones

  Videos recorded in your own home are not subject to the same laws as those done on the street in public. These men are guests in YOUR house. Record away
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  Kissing hanks rear....

  by _Morpheus in

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  2. entertainment

  i havent seen this posted in a while and i think its really well done, so i share here now:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdp7pkecjvq.

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  KillerJones

  I wonder what a 'sheeplike' witness would think of this. Do you think they would see the connection? Hmmm😕
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses really practice charity and help the needy in war ravaged areas in third-world countries?

  by JWCart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the pusher i have told a young man today that jehovah's witnesses are one of the biggest helpers with hunger reliefs and bringing solar stoves to west africa and the watchtower has donated vast resources to help ebola victims by providing hundreds of "clean up stations" plus jehovah's witnesses are sending millions of dollars in medical aid, is this true?.

  are jehovah witnesses with backing from the watchtower helping eliminate illiterate children like the catholic church is doing in uganda and kenya by housing 5 to 13 year old kids and proving two meals, a roof over their head and education up to 15 years giving them a edge, so they don't end up in the sex trade, as a jw-cart the pride swelled up in my heart knowing how generous our organization is with the poor.

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  Uhmm...NO.
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  how many of you are parents of adult children who still follow the wt and think you are misled?

  by sowhatnow in

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  2. beliefs

  what have you done so far as to convince them they are misled?

  what has worked for you.. it is inconceivable to me, that if my mother or father showed me proof of why the wt org is false, that i wouldn't take them seriously, after all they are older and should know better, but it seems there are some of you who have the opposite outcome, where your children think you are misled and senile, and grandparents are surely labeled as senile.

  one would reason then, if this were truly the case, that you are 'senile' or demented, then wouldn't that be taken into consideration when having loving contact with your parents?

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  KillerJones

  When I was about to leave, my good friend(elder) warned me about telling my wife. He said the elders would give her a scriptural divorce if I was DF for apostasy.

  Unbelievable mind games. Thankful my wife saw the TATT. I wish all couples could have this joy of leaving with your best friend. Here's to the next 35 years! 🍷
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  SHOTOUT TO THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SITE ! !

  by brandnew in

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  2. friends

  to the person, or persons responsible for creating this site.....my hats off to you, and yours.....im totally diggin this site.. thank you.

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  I do appreciate this site for all your experiences(painful as they may be) and the insightful comments you volunteer. They are not only intelligent, but encouraging. (God..I hate that word still...😊)

  My thanks to the maker. I owe you a bottle of wine, my friend!
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  For God So Loves the Western World...

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

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  2. friends

  ...that only people from those countries can lead 'his organization'.. a few years ago, one conversation stopper people would often bring up to jws in my country is: 'you guys are an american religion'.

  the standard answer we were formatted to give to shoot that down was that "god does not favor any nationality over others.

  however some countries do possess some advantages needed for the advancement of the divine work.

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  KillerJones

  The GB publish ideas concocted in bethel and then enforce them worldwide as a "one size fits all" solution.

  Billy, when have they given any good advice? In the 70's, it was a sin to engage in oral sex with your wife. How many couples were DF or broken up over this 'wisdom from above'? The blood issue caused hemophiliacs to reject many clotting factors, that now are allowed under the 'divine inspired' blood percentages. How many died as a result? The latest videos to elders show how to deal with suicidal members...remind them of Job and how hard he had it and give them home work as well. Not one word of seeking professional help! I wonder how many will be adversely affected by this 'inspired' advice.

  You are right. One size does not fit all and never will. When will the GB stop over reaching Gods word? Better yet, when will 'the sheep' wake up and start to think for themselves?