There is an e-mail in the text, is someone could ask the necessary precisions to understand this story more clearly ? Because my poor english, i have not tried by myself.
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Charles
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Could this cover-up be true ?
by chasson inhttp://www.frontpagenews.us/2007/02/special-investigator-probes-possible.html.
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Could this cover-up be true ?
by chasson inhttp://www.frontpagenews.us/2007/02/special-investigator-probes-possible.html.
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Yes this story is very strange. Concerning the term "christian", in France the JW are calling themselves as "Jehovah's christian witnesses" so this point is not strange for me. Bye Charles
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Could this cover-up be true ?
by chasson inhttp://www.frontpagenews.us/2007/02/special-investigator-probes-possible.html.
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Consolation on Demand
by chasson ini have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .
here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.
this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".
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For VM44:
Consolation October 1, 1941
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Golden Age Goodies
by Leolaia inrecently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.
i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.
hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.
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Golden-Age January 1, 1936
Kitawala and a classical discours of Rutherford. The illustration of the octopuss is really funny !!!
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Consolation on Demand
by chasson ini have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .
here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.
this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".
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As requested by Atlantis:
Consolation December 25, 1940
VM44, i will search this issue, i will not have a lot of time, please wait a week and you will have it.
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Charles
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Hemodilution: A new secret change in blood Policy ?
by chasson intake a look at the forum of noblood.org, a website maintaining by some jw like larry eitel and jan b. wade (this last is a founder of sabm too).
jan b. wade made here a curious remark concerning hemodilution:.
"there has been some refinement in what a jehovah's witness patient may or may not accept.
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Blood that is tagged or mixed with medicine is usually not kept in a circulation loop while it's being tagged. This, to me, is the most clear change of policy by the WT Society. I think the rationale is it's a "current therapy." So tubes are not required...all that is required is that the treatment is ongoing.
Yes, you have found when the changement occurs. A simple remarque at the end of an article. Too funny.
It seems that because it was a small amount of blood and the procedure was quick, they have autorized it even if the storage and the reinfuse of whole blood was in question.
But concerning the new change in 2005, the technique used here, imply 3 units of blood (a consequent amount of whole blood) and a surgery which could take a lot of times, few hours depending on the procedure (so a long time) .
So, even if in the link provide Jan B. Wade and surely the GB before him, reduce the term "autologous blood' to a blood stored one day before the surgery and not in the surgery procedure, it is remain that this blood is stored and reinfuse as a whole in the patient body.
So they can say that autologous transfusions are still forbidden, when in fact they are autorized if the collect, the storage and the reinfuse of the blood to the patient take place during the surgery procedure.
Theologically, they have far less justifications than ever to hold this position.
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Hemodilution: A new secret change in blood Policy ?
by chasson intake a look at the forum of noblood.org, a website maintaining by some jw like larry eitel and jan b. wade (this last is a founder of sabm too).
jan b. wade made here a curious remark concerning hemodilution:.
"there has been some refinement in what a jehovah's witness patient may or may not accept.
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You're talking about two separate things. You should look up hemodilution in a medical dictionary; and then look up cell-saver technology.
Well i will send you to the link provide. There is two types of hemodilution: Acute normovolemic hemodilution and Hypervolemic hemodilution
Hemodilution is simply getting IV fluids put into your body. Sort of like putting too much water in Kool-Aid. When the doctors do this, less red blood cells are lost due to the dilution of the blood.
You are talking about hypervolemic hemodilution.
The subject here is acute normovolemic hemodilution describe in the link:
Normovolemic hemodilution, on the other hand, involves removing a quantity of whole blood into bags and replacing it with an equal volume of fluid just before the commencement of surgery. The blood now circulating in the patient's body is significantly diluted, so when they bleed they will lose fewer red cells than if they were bleeding whole blood. At the end of the operation, or as needed, the whole blood that was drawn off at the start can be re-introduced, thus boosting the number of red blood cells. Some Jehovah's Witnesses will accept this procedure, if they feel that the blood that is temporarily diverted into bags has not totally lost contact with them and has therefore not been "shed".
Thanks, to help us to precise what we are talking about, not hemodilution in general, but acute normovolemic hemodilution (ANH)
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Charles
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Hemodilution: A new secret change in blood Policy ?
by chasson intake a look at the forum of noblood.org, a website maintaining by some jw like larry eitel and jan b. wade (this last is a founder of sabm too).
jan b. wade made here a curious remark concerning hemodilution:.
"there has been some refinement in what a jehovah's witness patient may or may not accept.
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Not to burst your bubble too much but isovolemic hemodilution and intraoperative autotransfusions have been allowed for some time.
Please note http://www.ajwrb.org/basics/what.shtml
I am not saying that it is the autorization of hemodilution who is the new policy but the conditions of this hemodilution.
Well, it is difficult to make me understand:
*** w89 3/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
What about induced hemodilution? Some surgeons believe that it is advantageous for a patient’s blood to be diluted during surgery. Thus, at the start of an operation, they direct some blood to storage bags outside a patient’s body and replace such with nonblood fluids; later, the blood is allowed to flow from the bags back to the patient. Since Christians do not let their blood be stored, some physicians have adapted this procedure, arranging the equipment in a circuit that is constantly linked to the patient’s circulatory system. Some Christians have accepted this, others have refused. Again, each individual must decide whether he would consider the blood diverted in such a hemodilution circuit to be similar to that flowing through a heart/lung machine, or he would think of it as blood that left him and therefore should be disposed of.
(end of quote)In 1989, the justification of the use of hemodilution was if you use a "circuit that is constantly linked to the patient's circulatory system" you have the right to use hemodilution. This circuit was considered as an extant of your own circulatory system.
But now, you don't have to make a circuit to use hemodilution, so practically you store your own blood and you receive after that a transfusion of your own blood.
I know that the theology of JW concerning blood issue is now so sophisticated and difficult that even a pharisee would have some problems to understand all the subtilities, but by this subtil change, the GB has autorized the store of blood, and has opened the door to all type of blood transfusion, even if they had not realized what they decided.
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Charles
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Hemodilution: A new secret change in blood Policy ?
by chasson intake a look at the forum of noblood.org, a website maintaining by some jw like larry eitel and jan b. wade (this last is a founder of sabm too).
jan b. wade made here a curious remark concerning hemodilution:.
"there has been some refinement in what a jehovah's witness patient may or may not accept.
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So Dozy, it seems the GB has voted OK to storage his own blood?
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Charles