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  who does the society consider as apostates?

  by booby in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from their literature as source.

  i did some searching and was surprised that i couldn't find them referring to those who simply quit and/or speak their doubts as such..

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  ThomasCovenant

  Watchtower 1st Oct '93 page 19

  Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah's organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah's feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they "feel a loathing" toward those who have made themselves God's enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance
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  who does the society consider as apostates?

  by booby in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from their literature as source.

  i did some searching and was surprised that i couldn't find them referring to those who simply quit and/or speak their doubts as such..

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  ThomasCovenant

  Reasoning from the Scriptures page 34

  Apostasy

  Definition: Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God.

  Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word.

  Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah's organization.
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  Child abuse and 'Christian' forgiveness. What would Jesus have done?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  allegedly ''jesus held out hope of forgiveness even to prostitutes and tax collectors (considered among the vilest sinners in his day) who appreciated their need of him and repented of their former course of conduct.

  as he told his critics: "persons in health do not need a physician, but the ailing do.

  i came to call, not righteous people, but sinners.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Allegedly ''Jesus held out hope of forgiveness even to prostitutes and tax collectors (considered among the vilest sinners in his day) who appreciated their need of him and repented of their former course of conduct. As he told his critics: "Persons in health do not need a physician, but the ailing do. . . . I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners.'' WT 15th Jan '75.

  Do you think Jesus would have forgiven and associated with child abusers/paedophiles if they were truly repentant?

  Or would he take the view that it is in their nature and therefore would have nothing to do with them?

  Would he associate with gluttons as it is possibly in their nature too?

  Prostitution and tax collecting is not normally viewed as part of a persons make up but something they choose to do (excluding forced tax collecting of course).

  ''it is evident that Jesus was not accepting people in their sins as they were. Rather, one of the most important aspects of his ministry was to cure men of their spiritual illnesses, enabling them to be accepted by God because of their changed way of life'' WT 15th Aug '74

  I'm confused as to whether, Christians believe in forgiveness of pretty well anything if the person appears to be repentant, or not.
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  'Apostates' being labelled 'mentally diseased'. Is discrimination against mentally disabled people by using it as a 'hate crime' term?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry if i'm not expressing myself very well but i wasn't allowed an education due to wbt$ regulations.. what i'm trying to say is that the wbt$ using the term 'mentally diseased' as an insulting term against those fictitious 'apostates' they want everyone to 'hate', is surely very discriminatory against those that have a genuine mental illness.. it's like calling a white person that has caught a suntan the 'n' word isn't it?

  offensive, inappropriate and utterly destructive.. in the uk the press can be pretty sensitive about such name calling that implies that mental disease is somehow to be used as a hate crime word.. is it worth writing to the press to complain about such discrimination?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  punkofnice,

  Interlinear download

  http://www.soundwitness.org/jw/kit_download.htm
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  "Unscriptural to say a former child abuser could never enjoy exemplary privleges of service." Oh really?

  by headisspinning in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it is a known fact that on average a pedophile will abuse as many as 200 children in his/her lifetime.. with that in mind.

  read an extract from an august 1, 1995 letter to all bodies of elders in the usa.. i guess these untrained elders are somehow experts in this area and can determine if someone will reoffend even though law enforcement, psychiatrists and specialists cannot offer the same guarantee and in many cases will even suggest that these known sex offenders are very likely to reoffend when the opportunity presents itself.... to all bodies of elders in the united states.

  august i, 1995.

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  ThomasCovenant

  ''Matthew 12:31 and I Corinthians 6:9-11, shows it is possible for a person to stop his or
  her wrongful course, repent, and thereafter live in harmony with God's righteous standards. This
  is true of all wrongdoers-s-even a former child abuser.''

  Can they be faulted for this line of reasoning from a Biblical viewpoint?

  Or is this a Bible problem as opposed to a religious sect problem?
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  'Apostates' being labelled 'mentally diseased'. Is discrimination against mentally disabled people by using it as a 'hate crime' term?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry if i'm not expressing myself very well but i wasn't allowed an education due to wbt$ regulations.. what i'm trying to say is that the wbt$ using the term 'mentally diseased' as an insulting term against those fictitious 'apostates' they want everyone to 'hate', is surely very discriminatory against those that have a genuine mental illness.. it's like calling a white person that has caught a suntan the 'n' word isn't it?

  offensive, inappropriate and utterly destructive.. in the uk the press can be pretty sensitive about such name calling that implies that mental disease is somehow to be used as a hate crime word.. is it worth writing to the press to complain about such discrimination?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  ThomasCovenant - I don't have an interlinear anymore, does it translate the GK to 'mentally diseased' in Timothy?

  Not sure what GK is but the 4th Greek word literally translated as 'being diseased' in the Interlinear is then read as 'mentally diseased' in the scripture, as I showed above the breakdown of words.
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  'Apostates' being labelled 'mentally diseased'. Is discrimination against mentally disabled people by using it as a 'hate crime' term?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry if i'm not expressing myself very well but i wasn't allowed an education due to wbt$ regulations.. what i'm trying to say is that the wbt$ using the term 'mentally diseased' as an insulting term against those fictitious 'apostates' they want everyone to 'hate', is surely very discriminatory against those that have a genuine mental illness.. it's like calling a white person that has caught a suntan the 'n' word isn't it?

  offensive, inappropriate and utterly destructive.. in the uk the press can be pretty sensitive about such name calling that implies that mental disease is somehow to be used as a hate crime word.. is it worth writing to the press to complain about such discrimination?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  I can't seem to copy and paste from my Kingdom Interlinear 1969 downloaded version so I'll try typing out the literal translation as shown.

  I Timothy 6:4 ''he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words.''

  Greek word

  1st = he has been made to smoke,

  2nd = nothing knowing well

  3rd = but

  4th = being diseased

  5th = about

  6th = seekings

  7th = and

  8th = word fights
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  My muslim coworker: I'm comforted with the fact that some people just have to go, there just has to be a purge.

  by Joliette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i got the biggest wtf look on my face when my coworker said this to me a week ago.

  she actually felt comforted with the fact that the sinners of this world 'will just have to go.

  ' how is the comforting..

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  ThomasCovenant

  I was chatting a few months back to a Muslim doctor of science, therefore of a certain level of alleged education and intelligence, and eventually got him to admit that he believed that I, as an unbeliever, [hence the name Thomas Covenant] would be the ''fuel for the fires of hell''. Charming.
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  Watchtower — Not One Female!

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  watchtower not one female!.

  today i uploaded a new article to my blog taking a fresh look at a now 40-year-old watchtower illustration of what it terms the modern-day theocratic organization of jehovah's christian witnesses.

  something is missing in the picture.

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  ThomasCovenant

  It's great having a penis.
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  Suggestions for finally talking to my parents about my doubts?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'll give my story again:.

  i was raised a believing witness.

  i had a normal life and very loving parents who would do anything for me and my brother(who is 21).

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  ThomasCovenant

  Everyone's situation is different of course. For me, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't speak to my parents about the reasons I left the religion. They kindly listened, after an ultimatum on my wife's behalf it has to be said. They listend but didn't comment and certainly offered no rebuttals to my points of view.

  I felt I had to make a stand for the truth as opposed to the Truth.

  Whatever you do make sure its the best for you and no one else.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/147901/1/I-finally-spoke-to-my-parents-Best-thing-I-did