i had proven to myself, with help from ray franz and others, that the 'truth' was not the 'truth' about three years back - so in most cases i have paid little attention to further proof.
once proven, always proven, right?.
then this week, i began to do a little research into the greber thing - i typed in greber watchtower to my google seach.. 465 hits - and started to read a few of the websites.
I read a quote from C T Russell a while back where he wrote something on the lines of "a truth from satan is just as true as a truth from god. Seek truth, wherever you may find it".
Maybe that's why the org felt justified to use Greber's translation to support the NWT.
Or maybe they were just desperate to enlist any authority to use as support for their twisted translation.
i called my dad the other day crying and left a message saying daddy i need u pick up i need you and right in the middle, click my step mom (i m guessing) hung up on me.
i also emailed him pretending to be my husband several times and he always answered before, im so scared for him .
hes bi polar like my brother who died two years ago from suicide.
(((((Messy)))))
Do you have any idea which hospital he might be in? Maybe
you could call the hospitals in the area and ask if he;s a
patient at any of them.
Or, are you able to contact any of his neighbours, to see
if he is at home or in hospital?
I hope he is ok, and that you get some information
very soon.
Take care
dedpoet
having read posts over the last few months, i have come to the conclusion that there must be alot of 'active' jw's who still regularly attend meetings/field service etc.. don't you feel that by posting your many and varied topics, usually complaining/disagreeing with the wbts, that you are being hypocritical?
when you post your information, obtained sometimes in an questionable manner, doesn't it make you question your own underhanded actions?.
you converse with many on this forum who are disfellowshipped/dissasociated, yet if you knew who these ones were, face to face, you would not give them the time of day!
Hi winnie, and welcome
You are right, there are quite a number of active jws
participating on this board.
For many of them, however, their prescence at meetings
is only a physical one. They are as aware as you or I that
it is not the truth, but are forced to pay lip service to the
wtbts because if they did not, they risk losing all their
friends and possibly their family.
It's a tough place to be in my mind, and I would never
regard such ones as hypocrites in any way. In fact, I
admire them for having the courage and fortitude to put
up with the weekly grind of meetings and/or field service
out of love for their families.
dedpoet
the cover of this issue pictures a group of modern day people standing looking up as if looking to the sky and the title says something like "christ comming what does it mean to you?
" i think it's deceptive because witnesses teach that jesus already came in 1914. the article is talking about his comming to exucute the wicked and does not even mention 1914, but the photo and title on the cover would lead people to beleive that his comming is still in the future.
isn't this deceptive?
No more, or less, deceptive than everything else they have ever printed.
I take your point, however. It does seem, without having read the article, to be
somewhat contradictory to their beliefs.
this is the fun one......... health, dismemberment, death (natural and unnatural) murder and suicide.. well its sunday afternoon, portland oregon, february 18, 2007.........its been 34 years,.......i 'm just drunk enough, excuse me,.....i mean "self medicated"enough (p.s.
juni sweet heart.... i love you), to start writing this chapter.........the people at bethel were killing us spiritually!.......and sometimes they killed us physically too.....i'm not letting myself of the hook...i was there and i was as bad them..............no, i'm sorry i was worst then them......and why?.....because i knew better....those bastards didn't know any better .......we need to send them some love........the thing they can't give us ................we need to give them......... love............. "thats all you need" .
first off....... when you go to bethel, you sign a document stating that if you die while you are at bethel, the society has "the right" to keep your body.........most people, just sign it and forget about it, but don't you think that is just a little strange?..........i did.
Good writing new boy, you certainly had some experiences, ones which I'm glad I didn't have!
Why do they keep the bodies - that is sinister!
They send them to a taxidermist, have them stuffed and place them in kingdom halls to keep the attendances up, of course.
yay!
my little sis has arrived!!!!
(please don't hold that against her)
Hi eBob, and welcome to the forum
let the beatings begin.
beatings and whippings were routine.
so conditioned was i by corporeal punishment that one day something happened that my mom recalled with pride for many years afterwards.
This organization has been responsible both directly and indirectly for countless acts of brutality towards innocent and helpless children.
Amen to that tsof. I've seen some of that brutality myself, while I was in the org. There were times when I felt like taking those parents outside and giving them a sound thrashing, and I would have been more than capable of doing it. I sometimes wish I had done so. Most of the kids who endured that type of punishment at my kh have left the org now yet, from what I hear, kids still get beaten by their parents. I guess most jws are slow learners.
Having joined the wts as an adult, I can't even start to imagine what growing up in an atmosphere of constant beatings would have been like. For the org to have used your mother, after the way she treated you, as a good example on the platform, says a lot about the sort of people most of them are. It makes me very, very happy to be no longer part of that organisation.
I admire you for having the courage to share your story, which must evoke some very painful memories.
Take care
dedpoet
before i got df'd for you know what i told the brothers i was having doubts....think theylll keep me out longer?.
I thought that might be the reason, Caine. I guess I'm one of the lucky
ones, not having any family in the org, or friends nowadays, having left
just over 7 years ago.
One thing though, my friend, please stay with us on this forum. From
your initial post, I would surmise that, although you are thinking of
going back, you don't really believe it anymore? If that is the case,
and believe me, there are many like you on here, you will always
find a listening ear on this forum, and our friendship is always
non - conditional.
Take care
dedpoet
although rutherford was a mad egomaniac - when it came to business he was as sharp as a tack.
when the "children" book was released at a most notable convention in 1941, rutherford used "power of suggestion by emotional stimulus" on a captive audience.
he commanded some 15,000 children to flog his new book "children".
You all don't understand. I smoked three beers and chugged some pot before I wrote that
Oh I see, I think
before i got df'd for you know what i told the brothers i was having doubts....think theylll keep me out longer?.
Hi Caine, and welcome to the forum.
If you are having doubts about the wtbts, why would you want to go back anyway?
This is your chance to escape from the org for good, make the most of it. And yes,
if the jc is aware that you are having doubts, I would think they would be less
sympathetic towards any request for reinstatement, if you should make one.
dedpoet
