have found out from reliable source that the object of our hatred at the mo( and still very deserving of our loathing though he may be) was actually disfellowshiped years ago, am still working on the exact details but will share them as soon as i get them guys.will try and get the date of his disfellowshiping etc n let you know.
So, if the bloke was DF'd how come he is on the Mill Hill Trustees for the Kingdom Hall, with the Charity Commission?
Yes Gill, he certainly seems to have a lot of privileges for someone
who is allegedly df'd!
I may be wrong, but I have an idea that xnmad is a jw apologist troll
who has come here, or was maybe sent here as their IP address seems
to change with almost every post, to start a couple of flame threads and
divert us from further discussion of the original one posted by Danny
Haszard.
man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
btt
i am white, my husband is black.
he is not baptized but goes to all the meetings and is in the school.
a few months ago i read the following info which i just copied from vinny's thread.
A$W,
You did a courageous thing last night. I wish you well.
Whatever happens, you have our support
have found out from reliable source that the object of our hatred at the mo( and still very deserving of our loathing though he may be) was actually disfellowshiped years ago, am still working on the exact details but will share them as soon as i get them guys.will try and get the date of his disfellowshiping etc n let you know.
Are you sure it's the same Michael Porter,xnmad?
My reason for asking is that a brother I know who was at bethel until
recently knows the paedophile Michael Porter very well - he was at
bethel with him in the last few years. He recognised him from the
photograph that appeared in the UK newspapers.
If we are talking of the same Michael Porter, it does seem highly
unusual to me that a df'd brother would be allowed to serve at
bethel, does it not to you?
man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
Gill,
If Mr Porter is to NOT be DF'd for his sexual predatory way with children, then NO ONE should EVER be DF'd in the JW Cult ever again!!
What you say makes sense, and I agree with you there, but I doubt the jws will. I could see them df'ing him because of the bad publicity, but if he's "genuinely repentant", (as all offenders like him are when they get caught), they have no grounds for df'ing him according to their rules, so he may well get away with it.
How can you compare his sin / Crime to the 'crime' of another JW simply criticising the Baffoons that make up the FDS or the GB?
Obviously, there is no comparison in real life, but in the warped reality that is the watchtower society a repentant child molester that still supports their teachings is likely to be seen in a better light than one who disagrees with the org's doctrines, so they'd be more likely to df a dissenter than a sexual pervert - sickeming I know, but true.
How can you compare his crime to someone who has accepted a blood transfusion!
Again, in watchtowerland it's a far worse offence to save one's life by accepting a blood transfusion than to potentially destroy the life of a child by abusing them. It's hard for me to believe that intelligent people can't see how twisted that such a policy is, but I'd be willing to bet that that's how they view it.
The WTBTS damn themselves with their sheer stupid, cult like behaviour!
True, but actions that seem completely sick, twisted and irrational to outsiders can be made to seem completely rational to cult members. That's how cults thrive, by getting their members to accept every rule, no matter how ridiculous, and no matter who it hurts.
I imagine that the watchtower are working on a damage limitation plan right now, which may or may not involve Porter being df'd. Or maybe they are just waiting for the publicity regarding this case to blow over. Whatever, I have no doubt that they will be able to come up with something that will keep most of their brainwashed followers from reading to much into the implications of this case, even if Porter isn't df'd.
Trev
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
I am so sorry
Thanks hibie, it's been a very tough time for both of us, especially
Linda.
I wish to tell you to trust in God. I know you don't want to hear that but...
Well, I don't trust in god, and neither does Linda, but there have been
times when we both wished we could. We don't pray, but are aware
that people are praying for us, which we both appreciate. I'm a kind
of reasonable atheist - I don't believe in god, but don't rule out the
possibility that I could be wrong. I really don't mind you reccommending
that I trust in god at all, even though I don't do that. I am very appreciative
of your reasons for doing so.
Trev
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
hibie,
You don't seem to be a jw, which is good. I used to be one, being duped
into believing their bs at the age of 40 (old enough to have more sense)
when I was going through a particularly difficult period of my life (mum had
died a few months previously, I had been through a divorce), and I guess
they saw my potential vulnerability, and preyed on it.
Prior to that, and since I stopped being a jw in 1999, I have been an
atheist. I am thankful to my parents for the many happy times they
helped me to enjoy, thankful to my friends for being there for me when
I need them, and thankful to my wife Linda for the joy that she has
brought into my life.
I see no reason to thank a deity I don't believe in for anything at all.
I just feel something is wrong or going on in your life right now.
You are right about that. My wonderful wife Linda, herself an ex jw,
is sufferring from pancreatic cancer, which has spread to other organs.
Trev
man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
I don't believe in the watchtower theory that jehoobie will sort people
like Michael Porter out at armageddon at all.
I don't believe that there is going to be an armageddon or a "new
system" to follow it, but if I'm wrong and it does happen, it's
irrelevant whether or not Michael Porter misses out on it.
What I'd like to see is justice properly dispensed in this "system",
and that clearly did not happen at Bristol Crown Court last week.
If it had have been, Porter would have been locked away for the
next few years, not free to continue in his depraved ways, while
his victims try to put the ordeal he subjected them to behind them.
I notice from the reports that the police are considering an appeal
against the lenient sentence handed out. I hope that they pursue
this, and Porter gets rearrested, retried, and gets what he really
deserves - a custodial sentence, preferrably a long one.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
Hi dedpoet, I just wanted to let you know that you are making the assumption that the bible "may not have been" translated accurately from the languages that it was originally written.
hibi,
I am making no assumptions at all, and I've heard your illustration about my
grandparents/parents many times - it's a jw favourite for use on those who
question the bible's authenticity. I'd have been almost disappointed if you
hadn't resorted to it.
Personally, I don't have much time for the bible, and couldn't care less if
the KJV, NWT, NIV, Jerusalem or Authorised are accurate translations or
not. My opinoin of the bible, for what it's worth, is that whilst there may
be a few titbits of common sense in parts of it, it's one big fairytale almost
on a par with those written by the Brothers Grimm, though they are more
entertaining. I find the idea that jesus is lord and the notion that he died
for everyone completely ludicrous.
He might be your lord: he will never be mine.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
Science differs from belief in that it seeks to verify its claims by measurement, observation, testing, falsification models and remaining open to evidence of disproof.
In other words, science is progressive.
That's more than you can say for belief. I'd rather put my trust
in science anytime than in a book written a few thousand years
ago in the Middle East that may not have been translated from
the languages it was originally written in accurately anyway.
