We didn't have substitute celebrations/gift giving when I was a kid. I'm a bit unsure about "expecting" gifts; but, when we did receive gifts, we were expected to send a "thank you" card, at the least.
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Holiday gift giving
by pratt1 ini have some friends who are still dubs, but they associate often with my family and we consider ourselves to be very close.. we agree not to talk about religion and so far everyone seems to honor this arrangment.. my friends have a young child who calls me uncle and i have a very close relationship with him.
every year i give their son gifts in november and a month before his birthday.. since i grew up as a dub, as he is, i don't want him to feel left out, and we bond over either building models, or me teaching how to ride his new bike, or learning how to play games on his "leapfrog".. his parents has also appointed me and my wife as guardians over their son if they were to die while he is still a minor.. what bothers me is that neither of parents seem to acknowledge these gifts (which are uually expensive) or purchase gifts for my daughter at any time during the year.. my motives in giving their child gifts is not to receive any recoginition, but i does make me feel that because of their beliefs about holidays, they should use some other occasion to at least send a gift to my daughter.. i decided against bringing this matter up to them, and i don't want to stop giving their son gifts, he's the innocent party here, but i just wonder why these dubs seem to have no sene of social ettiqutte?.
i am i being unreasonable here?
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Service Meeting Week Starting December 12, 2005
by TheListener insong 32.
10 min: local announcements.
selected announcements from our kingdom ministry.
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comment on how easily a scripture can be included in the presentation
This comment makes it seem few people would think to use the Bible at the door unless they were reminded in a demonstration from the platform.
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Were your parents hypocrits?
by Mysterious indid your parents hold you up to higher jw standards than they held themselves or force you to live up to things they never did if they were raised in the truth?.
i know when my mother was a teenager they used to watch bewitched all the time and no one took it seriously.
they never missed an episode.
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My parents taught me to value truth above all else; to value my name as the only possession I truly have in this world; to train my conscience and hold to it no matter the cost; to make God the only authority who ultimately matters.
But now that I'm doing exactly what they taught me and it's lead me away from the JWs, they think I'm an ungrateful, disloyal, hard-headed and hard-hearted, satanically influenced apostate.
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JWs and the holidays at work
by limbogirl ini had lunch this week with some business colleagues and one of them complained that at her office there is now a "no merry christmas" policy which includes not saying merry christmas, not decorating the office for christmas, no christmas party, no secret santa games or exchanging of gifts.
i asked why all the rules and she said that there is one woman (out of nearly 150 employees) who is a jw and office management has decided the best way to handle the situation without excluding this woman or offending her in any way is to eliminate all reference to the holidays.
as you can imagine the other employees are in an uproar.
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One of my workmates has decided to say:
Have a wonderful annually recurring, politically correct, non-denominational celebratory season!
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As a JW did you accept birthday/Christmas gifts? What is WTS policy?
by blondie inis it proper to accept gifts and not give them?
*** w59 12/1 p. 736 questions from readers ***.
my husband and i are newly dedicated witnesses.
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My understanding was the same as Mysterious' - if you were offered a holiday/birthday present, you were to initially refuse and make it clear that as a JW you don't celebrate. If the giver insisted, you could accept. There was never any mention of sending a "thank you" card or other acknowledgement. I suppose that was an effort to discourage those bad ol' worldly people who thought enough of you to get you a gift from ever doing it again.
I was never given a holiday/birthday present other than seasonal cards, but for some reason it was OK to accept those - as long as I threw them away when I got home.
I keep all my cards now.
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Spankings Cause Aggression and Anxiety in Kids
by Gretchen956 infrom msnbc:.
spanking can fuel aggression, anxiety in kids .
physical discipline leads to more behavior problems, research suggestsreutersupdated: 3:52 p.m. et nov. 21, 2005. .
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In Kenya, on the other hand, where use of physical discipline is common and considered normal for the most part, moms were most likely to spank or engage in similar disciplinary tactics. In a study conducted in Kenya in 2003, 57 percent of grandmothers reported caning, pinching, slapping, tying with a rope, hitting, beating, and kicking as forms of discipline they had used on their grandchildren.
Questions: How much is to be tolerated in the name of what's considered "common and normal?" Is beating and kicking acceptable because it is a cultural norm? Was wife beating OK when it was practiced in older societies where such behavior was a cultural norm, even expected? Is it OK today in societies which still view it as "common and normal?" How is a "societal norm" defined: the "norm" practiced by a million people in a country or the "norm" practiced by a dozen neighbors who live on the same block in the same neighborhood/same small village in a rural area? Where is the line to be drawn between "appropriate discipline" and abuse, and who is to draw it?
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Anyone have scan of 95(?) Newsweek article re: generation change?
by ithinkisee inmy faded ex-jw aunt had no idea the generation thing changed.
i was gonna give her the wt articles and stuff but wanted to also give her a scan of the newsweek article.. .
ithinkisee
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I've seen a scan of that article before, but can't remember where. It is available in the archives of the newsweek.com site if you're willing to pay $2.95 for it. The title is "Apocalypse Later," in the 12/18/1995 issue.
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Lords evening meal/last supper
by cyberdyne systems 101 inhas anyone else wondered why the witnesses hold a meeting in order to 'keep doing this in rememberance of me' ?
since i was old enough to think and reason (yes i know how terrible!
) i could never understand why our 'celebration', the one thing important to true christians in the year, was another meeting!
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I only went out to dinner after the Memorial once, and I didn't feel quite right about it. After all, I'd just been to a memorial service and felt I should have maintained a more somber mood for the rest of the evening.
Given the Other Sheep's complete lack of involvement in the service, I wonder if there aren't overtones of idolatry in the attitude toward the "emblems."
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Are JW's too paralyzed to leave?
by moshe ini was contemplating how bad the news will have to be to get the jw's to quit the organization.
then i remembered hurricane katrina and all the people trapped in the superdome for days on end.
one guy acted on his own and stole a school bus to rescue a group and take them to houston.
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Barbara found a great quote in the book Leaving the Saints:
Page 262. “One of the nifty paradoxes of dysfunction is that the crazier the system in which you grow up, the more afraid and less equipped you are to leave it and stand on your own.”
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Sanctuary Trauma
by MerryMagdalene inin a post by ingenous on another thread (scandal frenzy, i think) some quotes are posted about "sanctuary trauma.
" it hit me in kind of a big(-ish) way...being hurt by those who should be protecting or nurturing us is a betrayal of sanctuary.
the trauma experienced is called sanctuary trauma.
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Ingenuous
Some powerful thoughts, Merry.
I feel confident that awareness is a powerful tool in healing and learning. I have a great deal of faith and optimism when it comes to the emotional and psychological safety you'll be able to provide for your daughter.