Magnum, for all your pompous and arrogant comments, do you really think I care if I get kicked out of this forum? Please get a life. The only idiot here just commented. By the way, what happened to the right and freedom to speak? Isn’t that what all you people are saying, or is it censored so only you can speak?
WheninDoubt
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
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i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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Village Idiot: Thank you for the pdf, I already have it. I read the inside story of Jehovah witnesses, apostles of denial, and countless more. That’s how we learn, but to be effective, view all sides of the issue, by not relying on any one thing. That’s how free will works.
Bonsai, thank you for your wisdom.
Cofty: I knew you wouldn't be able to stay away, my hat of to you, as always.
Finkelstein: Knowledge is a strong motive to let it go to waste. Understanding of that knowledge is what keeps us all hoping for something better. Then we learn that not all things placed before us constitutes the truth. The more you question, the less answers we get, and by that as Bonsai stated, then this forum. Thank you all.
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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FayeDunaway: yes I have Ray’s book in my library, as well as many others. As I stated before, everything is not just black and white. Like Finkelstein stated, how can people separate half-truth’s, and lies, if you’re not willing to look at the complete picture for an intelligible debate.
Tempest in a Teacup: Okay, nothing personal, but that has been going on for millennia. So if this is a JW only forum, then what are atheist and evolutionist allowed here? If you wish to separate the forum, I don’t know who you would have to speak with.
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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FayeDunaway: my bad, that’s a wonderful feeling, whatever keeps your heart filled with spiritual satisfaction is what counts.
I believe someone snarled a me for something to do with word play, but I guess it’s okay if you people do it to make a point. So pick and choose whatever word you wish to equate evil with. I’m not picky. Curious, did any of you meet RAY?
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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And that would be your understanding Village Idiot, I hope for your audience sake, you speak with first hand knowledge.
FayeDunaway: If that’s who you believe carries the truth, then go for it. You still have time. The Catholic assertion of 2 witnesses, for them was completed once Pope Francis took over for Pope Benedict. They assure the masses this would happen in the last days of man. However, I don’t know how other Catholics would react to you not supporting Saint Mary or the Cross. That’s how we live and learn.
Yes Never a jw, Q&A previously, your anger was noted, thank you.
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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FayeDunaway: Don’t misinterpret the understanding, I can tell the GB, elders, preachers, fathers, etc. about religious questions to get answers. No one can take free will away from me, as Jesus did with his Apostles. Then your confusing Questioning doctrine verses changing doctrine. Go tell the Pope that you wish for them to change their century old doctrines, see what happens.
Raymond Franz wanted to change the WT doctrine to befit him, not the members, and when he got kicked out for that, then he wrote a book explaining how evil that organization was, but didn’t bother to write down the reason why. However just like here, people pretend to have a valid reason to hate, they really don’t, and to obscure it, they don’t mention the reason behind that hatred, they just assume to have people follow along with their measure of personal vengeance.
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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The Catholic Church and Protestants have been doing that for centuries, so what’s your point Finkelstein. The Christian Evangelist does it up right and personal, at home. Then, people should have blind faith on the things you write? Or should they follow Christ through God to satisfy their personal relationship with God. and since the bible is the inspired word, you would be correct to follow in Jesus footsteps, as the WT has been proclaiming all this time.
To Village Idiot: Where do you think the WT gets it material? From global publishing.
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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Good one OUTLAW:
Nazi humor
1. I know you are but what am I. Good one, keep them coming.
2. Taylor Swift: “ Shake it Off” everyday
3. Pharrell-Williams “Happy” everyday
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by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.
i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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What happened. Did you all, get tired.
So the answer to your narcissistic view is, fight evil with evil, this is the compassion, love and trust you’re telling people around the world, by you people hear. This makes you shakers better? Just want to make sure, when the next generation wants to take a bite of Eve’s apple. I’m inclined to respect an atheist or evolutionist at this point. I believe someone is this thread said, where do you get off telling us how to think or live, so my question would be, where you get off telling people on how to think and live their lives with all your anger and bitterness.
Everything is not always black and white. Life is a double edge sword. To rebuttal, refute, questioning? Also, acknowledge the condemnation is unworthy in itself. Remember, Newton's Third Law
Identifying Action and Reaction Force Pairs
While I find that knowledge is a great learning tool, so would hatred be. I find similarities between this site and Muslim extremism, but I do enjoy the lack of religious knowledge spread around here, it’s very entertaining. I believe someone else said, read the bible for yourself to get the truth. How ironic, that same philosophy is taught by the jW’s, so what’s the difference, just asking is.
So before you people get all postal on my post, go ahead make your day, it doesn’t bother me, it’s a never ending story of reality. Hey maybe someday you all can start thinking about blowing up the headquarters or knocking off some JW’s to make you feel better, you know, like the Pharisees did with Jesus. You’re thinking it or have thought about it. You have become advocates of hatred, so why not go all the way, you know get it out of your system. Kumbaya, no, just reality.
There was mention of Albert Einstein. A theoretical physicist when it accommodates your argument or just another cocaine addict when it doesn’t. You know, your flip-flop assertions.
So if you’re going to complain about the WT’s doctrines, then complain about EVERYONES.
The policies on child protection result in ruined lives, harm. Are you a pedophile? Or is this a poorly worded sentence.
The blood policy, unnecessary deaths, harm, People have the right to choose, unless otherwise forced by man’s laws. Aside from that, what business is it of anyone here. If it’s a personal experience with a family member or close friend? Then, that’s up to them. This falls under private debate not public according to the laws of the land.
The shunning policy, family alienation, harm. This is not exclusive to JW’s, so what’s your point. If you experienced it personally, and your family and friends you knew don’t want to have anything to do with you, then they know you better than a bunch of unknowns attempting to spew your personal anger.
The lack of freedom of thought and expression, harm to mental health. When an Author wishes to write a book or a journal towards the JW organization, the WT freely cooperates, good or bad, the WT doesn’t turn around to midline the publisher. So what freedom are you speaking of. Personal freedom to poison the minds of members that actually want to know about God? By your own preconceived notions? JW’s have every right to research what the; calling in the bible is, just as any other religion that teaches religion. The differences are between actual classroom schools or a place of worship. If you left the orgization for whatever reason, then that was you choice, stay gone. Learn your doctrine however it befits you, but don’t put it on the shoulders of others.
The education policy, harm to member’s personal and economic potential. The WT caters to events that are ongoing at the time. Whatever might have happened in the 20’30’40'50’60’70’ 80’90’2000, etc. were specific to those generations. If there was unrest in the colleges in the late 60’s let’s say in America, they would urge their members on the dangers of going into college due to those circumstances. Did that stop JW’s from attending college, to those that could compartmentalize, did? In the 30’s and 40’s it was about war. Maybe to you its okay to kill, how many Christians killed in World War 1 and 2? How many millions have died falsely in the name of God? How many millions have died because of differences in Religion? None that have to do with the WT, but embedded only in your clueless minds. So don’t push your agenda on anyone else, but wait, that’s what this forum is about, I forgot, to distort the truth.
The open use of the inter-net is just a usable vehicle toward that self-expression for public consumption and evaluation, in the same open expressive way the WTS. Uses the inter-net toward its endeavors. So what your saying is, the WT should get their own television program to come out on Sunday mornings or whatever time Evangelist come out on to spread their gospel, would that be more appealing to you? Or should the GB get a private email assigned like the POPE to personally chat with he’s members? Or any number of other religions like the Mormons that spread their gospel through multiple internet sites. So aside from your ignorance, how should the WT spread their gospel, you seem to be okay with everyone else, so let’s fill your personal hate centric demands.
Your spirituality is measured and validated by your devoted service in preaching to the public by proliferating the WTS's own publications. Hmmm!!!! Have you read the Catholic encyclopedia? Or the advent encyclopedia. How about: For those that like to plug a book, Fully Devoted (Pursuing Spiritual Transformation) published in 2009, not published by the WT? How about the thousands of Christian authors that subscribe the gospel through their works. I believe there are thousands of written works by religious people even before the WT. Many by which is used here to measure spirituality, make claim, or dispute it. Remember the Mormons? They made their own book to replace the bible.
Romans 12: 1-11 Context: Love, Zeal, Hope, Hospitality, The question is to who, to someone who wishes to hear or those that choose to remain deaf. By admission, all hear remain deaf, so why would someone waste their time. Go to another church and spew your nonsense, then compare.