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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

Funky you seem to mystify me. On one hand you are so insistent that there is no such thing as a god. Then you turn around and capitulate your atheist standard that you allegedly hold to so passionately and betray your atheist beliefs and celebrate a holiday that is centered in proclaiming a historic theistic event that you are so desperate to deny. The contradiction is so blatant that anyone who was true to the propagation of atheism would see you as a traitor and a sell out to the cause. In fact the cult of old Soviet communism, which is truly more a consistent an atheistic system than kind of pseudo atheism that you subscribe to would prosecute you for being a traitor to the dogmas of atheism. So Funky is your car in the garage (true atheism) or is your car not in the garage (quasi atheism that capitulates to theistic Christianity and celebrates Christmas)? Where is Funkys car? Funky, I am not trying to pick on you I am glad when you borrow capitol from the Christian world view and enjoy the celebration of birth of our Lord during Christmas I just want you to think through some of your dogmatic yet passionate assertions and hope that you will see them as incredulous. I truly do pray for you and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to have mercy on you and give you faith in Him that you would truly someday give glory to God to your benefit and that you would be one of the elect and come to faith in Christ.

Grace and Peace,

jr

Sirona,

Believe me if Funky were ever truly consistent to the dogmas of atheism then he would be true to his worldview and mock and make fun of your pagan pantheon. Any true atheist would look at your pagan deities and laugh and say gee Sirona, you are wasting your time and energy praying to those pagan gods, or Sirona havent you heard of science...it disproves paganism. Why would you take sides with a philosophical position that negates your own. The official doctrines of atheism claim that the religious practices of pagans whether it be hugging a tree, praying to a lizard or the sun (like the sun has ears) or smoking some dope and start spacing out and calling it meditating or howling at the moon or what ever it is pagans do, atheism calls it vain and stupid because there is no pagan god or otherwise.

BTW Sirona please dont get upset with my description of paganism. Paganism does not have a central body of beliefs hence there is no singular systematic theology that encompasses this individualistic belief system. Since paganism is individualistic in doctrine. That is according to once taste you can make up any old doctrinal preference and call it paganism. Like sucking on a frogs back to get high or find some hopeless cute puppy and cut him up into pieces and call it paganism. Dont get mad at me this is YOUR religion so take responsibility for it. Paganism is an anti atheist religion since a belief in a god even a pagan god is anti atheistic doctrine.

I am not trying to be incendiary or offensive I just want you to think through the position of your pagan worldview. Hopefully you will see the futility of placing your trust on the creation for eternal hope. Trust Jesus Christ

Peace love and happiness,

jr

Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 18 December 2002 7:24:39

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ARE YOU a FUNDIE? (quiz)

by Sirona in

ok. fundies.

i'm sick and tired of them.

i'm talking particularly about christian fundies.. what really grates on my nerves is that these people don't even realise they are fundies.

clash_city_rockers

hooberus,

that was an epic post....

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

I suspect that Skeptic is more into the shopping malls of man made religion and just being plain religious than he is up holdinding his atheist dogma.

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

Skeptic demonstrates his lack of clear thinking and obviously self-refuting and inconsistent ways when he admits.

It would seem rather silly for an atheist to be singing "Joy to the World" or "Hark the Angels Sing", wouldn't it? I have done exaclty that as an atheist. Windrider wanted me to attend a church service with her on Xmas eve, and I gladly did. I got right into it, too. It was wonderful. Stirred up a lot of great emotions.

I see Sentamentality rules over "Clear Thinking"

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As an atheist, I am free to pick and choose what traditions and customs I want to follow.

Sure you can do as you please as far as worshiping religious holidays are so, but you are being inconsistent with your atheist dogma which according to its teachings and assertions that these religious holidays dont have a right to exists. Your can celebrate Christmas and violate and go against the atheist credo and dogma that there is no god or you can live consistently with what you vehemently and rigorously are passionate about and that is your dogmatic claim that there is no god.

Keep up with the clear thinking,

jr

Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 18 December 2002 4:56:4

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

Funky naive about the philosophical commitment of worldviews writes:

Bizarrely, Clash seems to have ignored everything that's been written by atheists in this thread and continued to refer to atheism as if it were a religion, specifically one set up in opposition to Christianity.

Atheism presents a worldview, a worldview with religious conciseness. Just because one does not believe in a god does not mean that he exercises some form of religious ethics. Ones ethics is derived from metaphysics. Worldviews consists of three points of philosophy.

Epistemology
Metaphysics
Ethics

Look at the antithesis. The Christian claims that there is the one true God Jehovah. The atheist claims the opposite that there is no God. So that your own worldview that you claim is set up in opposition to Christianity as you put it. Just a bit of advice if you want to come off as a thinking atheist you need to speak and think consistently as an atheist.

Funky writes:

I have no need to worry whether some god will be offended

If that where truly the case you wouldnt bother responding in such a rigorous fashion as you do. But as scripture explains your character you are a truth suppresser, and my guess that you are terrified of the God of the bible because of the knowledge of your guilt and sin before him and are in terror of his just and righteous judgment against you.

Aztec asks

Should Christians celebrate the Winter Solstice?

Response:

Christmas has sort of an Eschatological meaning since it fell at the end of the calendar year and celebrated the coming of Christ and the meaning was festive since it represented the Victory of Christ over the world hence the end of the old pagan order Winter Solstice and the beginning of the new order and the reign of Christ. The exchange of presents represents the heavenly reward of receiving our inheritance as sons and daughters of the living God. Because of the victory of Christ Christmas has a festive and joyful atmosphere and was a welcome replacement to the monotonous drudgery and misery of the annual Winter Solstice observance which is a kin to the likes of weekly public talks and service meetings at the kingdom hall.

In Response of his own inconsistency COMF writes:

No, it doesn't. I guess I need the dogma of atheism reproduced here, schlocker. Whip the whole thing out. Where is the creed by which atheists swear off taking part in Christian celebrations?

Your dogmatism that there is no god is a creed in itself, that is a statement of metaphysics that is a part of your worldview belief system.

When you celebrate Christmas you acknowlage the Christian God you are working so hard at denying

Cheers,

jr

Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 18 December 2002 4:36:52

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

Elsewhere, goes out of his way to deny his atheistic Dogma writes:

I'm an atheist and this year is the first time I am observing christmas... I figured, "what the hell?" Why not? I see no problem with getting into the "spirit" of christmas... family, love, giving, etc...
Yes, I even setup a little christmas tree with presents from loved ones.

Personally Elsewhere, I am glad that you are going out of your way to celebrate Christmas. It is great to see you exercise responsibly your freedom in celebrating Christmas and breaking away from the legalistic dogma of those Consistent atheists that believe that celebrating Christmas is violating their atheist doctrine of no god. It is good to see you break away from the legalism of atheism and their strict anti-theistic dogma.

Enjoy Christmas at the expense of Christianity,

jr

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

Funky where do I start? Well Ill lead off here:

I don't have atheistic principles. I simply do not believe in gods.

The fact that you deny that there are any gods is in itself an atheistic principle.

Funky writes:

Perhaps it's the same sort of pragmatism that led the church to adopt the pagan wintertime celebrations and most of their trappings.

Surprisingly I agree with your pragmatist charge to the church but unlike your claim Christians have done away with the pagan trappings and their intentions they are just silly decorations. But you pragmatist charge has validity and I may not completely agree with there reasons to abrogate and do get rid of the pagan day Winter Solstice and replace it with the festive celebration of the coming of God the Son. But the intention had a good a biblical one. Christmas has sort of an Eschatological meaning since it fell at the end of the calendar year and celebrated the coming of Christ and the meaning was festive since it represented the Victory of Christ over the world hence the end of the old pagan order Winter Solstice and the beginning of the new order and the reign of Christ.

Funky says:

That's exactly what I accused you of, not believing that people are really atheists. You can't conceive how someone could come to the conclusion that there are no gods, so rather than trying to understand it, you think that we're angry with your god and just pretend not to believe in it.

Yet Funky, this is the language of scripture. Listen to Pauls statements in Romans 1:19-23

19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Yet this describes you completely. You replace the biblical God with the self exaltation as man as the measure.

Since God is the creator of everything in the world since that is so you cannot give an account for anything in the created order nor can you explain its existence with any intelligibility. This is why atheism is so inconsistent because in order to explain anything in the created order it must borrow from the Christian world view from which atheism denies.

Second Atheism cannot consistently be lived. This is the MAIN point of our thread.

The very fact that you celebrate a Theistic Christian holiday is evident that you do not really hold to atheism and that atheism cannot be lived. What you curse (Christianity) is also what you enjoy the fruits of (Christmas). If you where truly a true consistent atheist you would have nothing to do with Christmas.

JR

Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 16 December 2002 23:13:5

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

Sirona said:

Clash, you are such a dickhead.

Please don't get mad I am just discribing what pagans do in my area this time of year to cellebrate thier thing. Your right about the birth of the sun god. But a sun god worshiper is no atheist, hence sun god woshiper. Anyway I was just descibing what pagans do in my area maybe they do something different in your county.

peace love and happiness,

jr

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

One more thing Funky

Christians celebrate Hallowe'en

Bible Christians do not cellabrate Holloween!!!!!!!!!

Oct 31st is REFORMATION DAY on that day in 1517 Martin Luther Nailed the 95 theses up on the Church door at Whittenburg to protest and invite discussion on and against the Churches abuse in selling indulgences and other non biblical abuses.

Represent correctly

Bible Christians cellebrate Reformation Day on October 31st

Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 16 December 2002 10:38:10

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Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers in

i was just thinking.

since christmas is about the birth of christ, i know dec 25 was not his birthday, probly born around late sept or early oct. i guess he wanted to be born right before the baseball playoffs and world series, just kidding.

it was the early christian church that appointed dec 25th.

clash_city_rockers

Funky betrays his own atheistic worldview with

To you maybe. To me, it's a time to give and receive presents, eat drink and be merry. Why? Because everyone else is doing it and it's fun. With about eight hours of daylight at this time of year, celebrating the rebirth of the sun seems like a great idea. As an end-of-year celebration it's also a good time to catch up with old friends and family and to have one last blowout before the New Year's Resolutions kick in!

Pragmatism is the best you can do. You wouldnt receive any presents to enjoy your Pints in a special festive sort of way if it was not for the Christian Church and Christian Theism. What you reject and what you despise is gives the occasion for presents and special bottles of Ale that we all enjoy. When you enjoy your gifts and down you Pints you are basically giving the middle finger to your atheistic world view. If I was a true and consistent atheist, which you are not, I would call you a sell out for celebrating Christmas.

Maybe consistency is the problem, maybe atheism can't give an account for consistency since the atheistic world view is so internally inconsistent. Maybe that is why atheist are so woefully inconsistent when they borrow capitol from the Theistic Christian World View and Celebrate Christmas

Funky asks,

Clash, I think part of your problem seems to be that you genuinely can't believe people are really atheists.

Not quite I can't believe that people would be dooped by such an unintelligible religious notion such as atheism, a world view that time and time again proves itself to be internally inconsistent and self-refuting. Atheism is not for the intelligent, its a lazy philosophical and religious system for those who are bitter and angry with God for some inane reason. It is a system that doopes it's victims into thinking that they are wise when atheism presents itself as a paper tiger that is easily crumbled at the slightest of rigorous cross examination. Yet in the end atheism leaves its adherence to the folly of the vanity of their own darken ignorant minds.

cheers,

jr

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