Posts by tim3l0rd

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My experience with a Judicial Committee, when in my early 20's

by Dunedain in

i joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the borg, for almost 20 years.

i didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community.

what a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when all this recent stuff came out.

tim3l0rd

Wow! I believe that my own encounter with a judicial committee was what eventually led me to wake up. While I did come back and it took almost a decade for me to fully wake up, my experience with the elders in that committee really distressed me and had me wondering where the love was. I had too much family and was fully drinking the kool-aid when it happened, but that started a crack in my faith. I ignored it for a long time until the crack had widened to the point that I could no longer ignore it.

I think more elders would leave, especially after being involved with a JC, if they could get their head around the idea that an organization is needed to serve God. Some would definitely stay as it serves their narcissism, but I think a large number are upset by the JC process and go along with it because it's coming from the Mother Org.

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A simple physical exercise leads to great discovery!

by iconoclastic in

when i was working in a shipping company, captain invited me to his house for his wedding anniversary.

there i was attracted to his father (aged around 80) who seemed to be very healthy.

with me he became very comfortable, and talkative.

tim3l0rd

Saved

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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

by Splash in

thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

tim3l0rd

prologos - all much less relevant than a discussion of Shakespeare's Mc Beth

FTFY

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Advance Directives and the JW Patient

by Lee Elder in

advance directives are complex legal instruments and widely misunderstood by both physicians and their patients.

with most jehovah's witnesses their is a significant level of misinformation, and in many cases coercion or undue influence exerted on the patient.

physicians need to be aware of this and always meet privately with the patient to educate them and then ascertain their true wishes.

tim3l0rd

John Aquila - I know here in the U.S. when JW kids need a transfusion, the government just takes over. And the parents give a sigh of relieve. So the kid here are covered.

As far as I know, that depends on the state. Some states still recognize the right of the parents to choose. While that can be overridden by a court order, they have to obtain that first in some states before they can take action. In my state, the doctors have a standing order to do what's necessary and they have the backing of the court so they don't have to wait for a court order.

The issue with talking to the patient privately is that even if the JW patient wants blood he still has to worry whether or not someone might see the bag of blood hanging there. It's not like it can be hidden. So even if the doctor talks to the patient privately, the JW patient is still under coercion.

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These guys just freak me out!

by John Aquila in

ok, i didnt think anything about it.

but last night some friends from across the city called me up and said that the co was visiting their hall and in his talk he said that the society is getting geared up for a massive kingdom hall and assembly hall construction project worldwide next year.

they told the publishers; "get ready".

tim3l0rd

I don't think the stoppage is permanent, especially the KH and AH building. They may consolidate branches, but I fully see them continuing the KH and AH building next year. KHs and AHs are one measure that the R&F see as growth. Branches only supply the material and don't necessarily indicate growth, especially if the same information can be supplied with a consolidated setup. If they stopped building KHs and AHs, then the R&F would know that something was amiss.

There's also the speculation that they are planning on reselling KHs as a revenue stream. Can't do that if they don't build them. I don't think that's their intention. They don't seem smart enough to pull off a scam like that. Too many leaks anyway to keep it quiet. I think they are deluded into thinking that they are God's channel and need the KHs to continue the growth. Remember they said that there is big increase in attendance when a new KH is built. So that would also help increase their revenue.

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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

by Splash in

thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

tim3l0rd

Splash To me it's unclear and in contradiction to their very precise and clear later statement from

Isn't that the WT M.O. - unclear and contradictory? They have to leave themselves wiggle room.

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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

by Splash in

thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

tim3l0rd

Being a helper doesn't mean that they weren't anointed at that time.

Per the April 15, 1992 WT:

Therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of each of the Governing Body committees, that is, the Personnel, Publishing, Service, Teaching, and Writing Committees.'

So you could be of the anointed and still be added as a helper. Whether or not any of the current GB considered themselves to be anointed while they were a helper, I don't know.

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NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

by Gayle in

jw
friends

why be honest?.

tim3l0rd

I wonder if they were laughing when the came up with the title like, "Yeah, why be honest?" Oh the hypocrisy.

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What’s the deal with all the Smart-Educated JWs?

by John Aquila in

we talk a lot about most jws being uneducated, uninformed, and that they lack critical thinking skills, but in my area there is a lot of jws that went to the university, medical school, law school, and came back to the organization.

in my circuit, that i know of, we had two electrical engineers, one computer engineer with a ph.d. eight teachers with a bachelors degree and three of those with a masters in education.

we had two medical doctors, one was a pediatrician who closed his business about 3 years ago and went to bethel.

tim3l0rd

Cult indoctrination and cognitive dissonance.

As far as those that went to Bethel or became elders, I think many are affected by the big-fish-in-a-small-pond syndrome. In the real world, most would never get the recognition that they get in JWdom. They may not even realize that they crave this recognition, but it serves to cement them into the org. Also, most of those that went to college and university in previous decades did not have access to all the information that kids today have. Now that they are older they are set in their ways and, unless something disturbs them, they will never start questioning, looking outside the org, or using their critical thinking skills on JW doctrine.

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Thoughts on "Our Christian Life and Ministry" meeting

by Saved_JW in

i just watched the sample meeting corresponding to the new release of "our christian life and ministry" and i have a few lingering thoughts.

1- meeting layout simplified to match level of publishers.

when i grew up in the watchtower, the only real positive takeaway i have is being forced from a very young age to have the skill for public speaking, this has directly helped me with my confidence and gave me a skillset that is valuable in my current job.

tim3l0rd

It is so a sales meeting. I've tried pointing this out many times. Especially the more recent parts about "successes" in the ministry. The "successes" I've heard recently would make me depressed if I was still believing. Very little success, but they always end with "Jehovah is blessing the work!" They remind me of the Amway meetings I went to many many years ago.