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  Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

  by Splash in

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  thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

  cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

  - w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

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  prologos - all much less relevant than a discussion of Shakespeare's Mc Beth
  

  FTFY
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  Advance Directives and the JW Patient

  by Lee Elder in

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  advance directives are complex legal instruments and widely misunderstood by both physicians and their patients.

  with most jehovah's witnesses their is a significant level of misinformation, and in many cases coercion or undue influence exerted on the patient.

  physicians need to be aware of this and always meet privately with the patient to educate them and then ascertain their true wishes.

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  John Aquila - I know here in the U.S. when JW kids need a transfusion, the government just takes over. And the parents give a sigh of relieve. So the kid here are covered.

  As far as I know, that depends on the state. Some states still recognize the right of the parents to choose. While that can be overridden by a court order, they have to obtain that first in some states before they can take action. In my state, the doctors have a standing order to do what's necessary and they have the backing of the court so they don't have to wait for a court order.

  The issue with talking to the patient privately is that even if the JW patient wants blood he still has to worry whether or not someone might see the bag of blood hanging there. It's not like it can be hidden. So even if the doctor talks to the patient privately, the JW patient is still under coercion.
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  These guys just freak me out!

  by John Aquila in

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  ok, i didnt think anything about it.

  but last night some friends from across the city called me up and said that the co was visiting their hall and in his talk he said that the society is getting geared up for a massive kingdom hall and assembly hall construction project worldwide next year.

  they told the publishers; "get ready".

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  I don't think the stoppage is permanent, especially the KH and AH building. They may consolidate branches, but I fully see them continuing the KH and AH building next year. KHs and AHs are one measure that the R&F see as growth. Branches only supply the material and don't necessarily indicate growth, especially if the same information can be supplied with a consolidated setup. If they stopped building KHs and AHs, then the R&F would know that something was amiss.

  There's also the speculation that they are planning on reselling KHs as a revenue stream. Can't do that if they don't build them. I don't think that's their intention. They don't seem smart enough to pull off a scam like that. Too many leaks anyway to keep it quiet. I think they are deluded into thinking that they are God's channel and need the KHs to continue the growth. Remember they said that there is big increase in attendance when a new KH is built. So that would also help increase their revenue.
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  Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

  cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

  - w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

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  Splash To me it's unclear and in contradiction to their very precise and clear later statement from

  Isn't that the WT M.O. - unclear and contradictory? They have to leave themselves wiggle room.
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  Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

  cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

  - w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

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  Being a helper doesn't mean that they weren't anointed at that time.

  Per the April 15, 1992 WT:

  Therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of each of the Governing Body committees, that is, the Personnel, Publishing, Service, Teaching, and Writing Committees.'

  So you could be of the anointed and still be added as a helper. Whether or not any of the current GB considered themselves to be anointed while they were a helper, I don't know.
  
  
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  NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

  by Gayle in

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  why be honest?.

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  I wonder if they were laughing when the came up with the title like, "Yeah, why be honest?" Oh the hypocrisy.
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  What’s the deal with all the Smart-Educated JWs?

  by John Aquila in

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  we talk a lot about most jws being uneducated, uninformed, and that they lack critical thinking skills, but in my area there is a lot of jws that went to the university, medical school, law school, and came back to the organization.

  in my circuit, that i know of, we had two electrical engineers, one computer engineer with a ph.d. eight teachers with a bachelors degree and three of those with a masters in education.

  we had two medical doctors, one was a pediatrician who closed his business about 3 years ago and went to bethel.

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  Cult indoctrination and cognitive dissonance.

  As far as those that went to Bethel or became elders, I think many are affected by the big-fish-in-a-small-pond syndrome. In the real world, most would never get the recognition that they get in JWdom. They may not even realize that they crave this recognition, but it serves to cement them into the org. Also, most of those that went to college and university in previous decades did not have access to all the information that kids today have. Now that they are older they are set in their ways and, unless something disturbs them, they will never start questioning, looking outside the org, or using their critical thinking skills on JW doctrine.
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  Thoughts on "Our Christian Life and Ministry" meeting

  by Saved_JW in

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  i just watched the sample meeting corresponding to the new release of "our christian life and ministry" and i have a few lingering thoughts.

  1- meeting layout simplified to match level of publishers.

  when i grew up in the watchtower, the only real positive takeaway i have is being forced from a very young age to have the skill for public speaking, this has directly helped me with my confidence and gave me a skillset that is valuable in my current job.

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  It is so a sales meeting. I've tried pointing this out many times. Especially the more recent parts about "successes" in the ministry. The "successes" I've heard recently would make me depressed if I was still believing. Very little success, but they always end with "Jehovah is blessing the work!" They remind me of the Amway meetings I went to many many years ago.
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  Need list of scriptures that Jesus is only means of salvation

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  i remember a thread not long ago with all the scriptures.

  also one that we have to be witnesses to jesus.

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  Saving. Thanks.
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  Do they notice who no longer gives donations?

  by onightdivine in

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  because i haven't put in a single dime for over a year now in the box at the kh.

  the usual custom is to put money in there right after the meetings.

  but heck, i already spend so much in car fuel just to attend - i don't care really if the gb starves and dies.. oops.. anyway, do the elders take note who's donating and who's not?.

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  Never donated by check. Only once in my life did I have enough deductions to itemize, so I never needed a receipt for tax reasons and always donated by cash. They would probably notice if someone stopped donating via check, but have no way of tracking cash donations. I've heard of elders watching the box in some congregations, but that has never been my experience.