Posts by tim3l0rd

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Is the end of Watchtowers hated No Blood doctrine in sight?

by nicolaou in

i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.

it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!

you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?

tim3l0rd

They can't just do away with it, though, because too many would realize that they're responsible for thousands of deaths (and even bragged about it).

Well, they bragged about how "faith strengthening" it was for brothers to go to jail for not accepting civil service right after they made it a "conscience issue". I could see them doing the same for blood. As sickening as it sounds, I could see them printing: "In light of our new understanding what about parents, children, friends, and relatives that lost loved ones because they refused a blood transfusion? We should remember their faith as Jehovah will. Jehovah will not forget the strong stand that they took. BLAH BLAH BLAH..."

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Is the end of Watchtowers hated No Blood doctrine in sight?

by nicolaou in

i won't pretend to know things that i don't but just look at the incredible rate of change we've witnessed recently.

it seems that since candace conti and the australian royal commission the watchtower are scrabbling around to shore up their finances in the face of unprecedented legal action against them.. abuse settlement claims are one thing but what happens when children die as a result of your religious teachings?!

you can bet wt legal are arguing for a complete rewrite of policy to protect the organisation from litigation.. do you think their religious privilege will protect them forever?

tim3l0rd

I think they still might. They have done similar reversals in prior decades. They would still be protected from lawsuits after reversing the doctrine by the first amendment. If they reverse it now, they can avoid JWs being put in jail for refusing blood transfusions for their children.

Although, in recent years, they no longer try to remove the child from the hospital in order to avoid transfusions. Nowadays, they just let the hospital get a court order and comfort the parents by saying that there was nothing they could do. So, they may just leave it as is. The only way I see this blowing up is if a child needs some other procedure that definitely requires blood and the parents keep the child from the hospital so that he/she will not be taken and given blood.

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Not on a WTS Cover - Famine Continues to Decline

by berrygerry in

that darn satan keeps confusing those horsies in apocalypse - they seem to be going in reverse.. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/global-hunger-calamitous-famine-eradicated-last-50-years.

tim3l0rd

I fear that the remainder may become even more fanatical as they try to adjust to the new reality and the ever changing WT dogma.

I fear this too. So many have put in so much time and are so ingrained that they would believe/do whatever the magnificent 7 told them to do. They will become more insular and maybe more paranoid.

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Not on a WTS Cover - Famine Continues to Decline

by berrygerry in

that darn satan keeps confusing those horsies in apocalypse - they seem to be going in reverse.. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/global-hunger-calamitous-famine-eradicated-last-50-years.

tim3l0rd

JW reasoning...

News that supports worsening conditions = Armageddon near!!!

News that doesn't support worsening conditions = It can't be too obvious that Armageddon is near!

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Question Regarding Faithful & Wise Servant Being An Individual

by lambsbottom in

have a bible question.

been reading the arguments for the "faithful & wise servant" of mt.

25:45-51 being an individual versus a "class" or group of christians.

tim3l0rd

According to AMIII's latest video, it's "obvious" that it is a "composite slave". Yep.... So. Very. Obvious.

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My experience with a Judicial Committee, when in my early 20's

by Dunedain in

i joined this wonderful site, only a few weeks ago, although i have been away from the borg, for almost 20 years.

i didnt introduce myself, on a personal level, but i jumped right in, commenting, making threads, and just immersing myself in this community.

what a time, indeed, to be here, its almost as if i was "called" here, because the week i lurked, and joined, was when all this recent stuff came out.

tim3l0rd

Wow! I believe that my own encounter with a judicial committee was what eventually led me to wake up. While I did come back and it took almost a decade for me to fully wake up, my experience with the elders in that committee really distressed me and had me wondering where the love was. I had too much family and was fully drinking the kool-aid when it happened, but that started a crack in my faith. I ignored it for a long time until the crack had widened to the point that I could no longer ignore it.

I think more elders would leave, especially after being involved with a JC, if they could get their head around the idea that an organization is needed to serve God. Some would definitely stay as it serves their narcissism, but I think a large number are upset by the JC process and go along with it because it's coming from the Mother Org.

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A simple physical exercise leads to great discovery!

by iconoclastic in

when i was working in a shipping company, captain invited me to his house for his wedding anniversary.

there i was attracted to his father (aged around 80) who seemed to be very healthy.

with me he became very comfortable, and talkative.

tim3l0rd

Saved

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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

by Splash in

thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

tim3l0rd

prologos - all much less relevant than a discussion of Shakespeare's Mc Beth

FTFY

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Advance Directives and the JW Patient

by Lee Elder in

advance directives are complex legal instruments and widely misunderstood by both physicians and their patients.

with most jehovah's witnesses their is a significant level of misinformation, and in many cases coercion or undue influence exerted on the patient.

physicians need to be aware of this and always meet privately with the patient to educate them and then ascertain their true wishes.

tim3l0rd

John Aquila - I know here in the U.S. when JW kids need a transfusion, the government just takes over. And the parents give a sigh of relieve. So the kid here are covered.

As far as I know, that depends on the state. Some states still recognize the right of the parents to choose. While that can be overridden by a court order, they have to obtain that first in some states before they can take action. In my state, the doctors have a standing order to do what's necessary and they have the backing of the court so they don't have to wait for a court order.

The issue with talking to the patient privately is that even if the JW patient wants blood he still has to worry whether or not someone might see the bag of blood hanging there. It's not like it can be hidden. So even if the doctor talks to the patient privately, the JW patient is still under coercion.

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These guys just freak me out!

by John Aquila in

ok, i didnt think anything about it.

but last night some friends from across the city called me up and said that the co was visiting their hall and in his talk he said that the society is getting geared up for a massive kingdom hall and assembly hall construction project worldwide next year.

they told the publishers; "get ready".

tim3l0rd

I don't think the stoppage is permanent, especially the KH and AH building. They may consolidate branches, but I fully see them continuing the KH and AH building next year. KHs and AHs are one measure that the R&F see as growth. Branches only supply the material and don't necessarily indicate growth, especially if the same information can be supplied with a consolidated setup. If they stopped building KHs and AHs, then the R&F would know that something was amiss.

There's also the speculation that they are planning on reselling KHs as a revenue stream. Can't do that if they don't build them. I don't think that's their intention. They don't seem smart enough to pull off a scam like that. Too many leaks anyway to keep it quiet. I think they are deluded into thinking that they are God's channel and need the KHs to continue the growth. Remember they said that there is big increase in attendance when a new KH is built. So that would also help increase their revenue.