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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

Hello blondie,

this is why (your post) I am discussing it with jgnat [edited]:

The constant circulation of fetal and maternal blood and the very thin tissue separation of fetal blood in the capillaries from maternal blood bathing the villi provide a mechanism for efficient interchange of blood constituents between the maternal and fetal bloodstreams without (normally) allowing any opportunity for the blood of one to pour across into the blood vessels of the other.- Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.

Also, this is why I asked that if you discovered today that the best treatment for cancer (as an example) outdated the 1960's, 70's and 80's and even the 90's, will you still undergone the old treatment?

did the WTS violated the Bible then or did it not followed?

Thanks,

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

Hello darluvs,

Our mother died because of Blood transfusion, we were not JW then. . . to answer your question further:

(Genesis 9:2-4) . . .. 3

Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU. 4 Only flesh with its soul—its blood—YOU must not eat.

(Acts 15:29) 29

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!"

(Leviticus 17:14) For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel: "YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off."

(Acts 24:15) 15

and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. . .

If Genesis only pertaining to eating blood and not blood transfusion, the man is alive today but on which side most probabily you be in Acts 24:15 comparing with Act 15:29?
If Genesis is only pertaining to eating blood and not blood transfusion, then what will happen to the soul of the patient added with the soul of the donor refering to Leviticus 17:14?
If Act 15:29 includes blood tranfusion from abstaining from blood, what will happen to the patient in the future life, Psalm 37:29? which side of probabily will he be in Act 24:15?

Thanks,

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

Hello Cygnus,

And just as fruitless is pre- and post-1961 Watchtower blood policy.- Cygnus

If you haven't read also and digested the previous post. . . What will you do if you got cancer today? will you use the 1961 treatment? We need your answer for this post not become fruitless. . . Thanks,

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

Hello Abaddon/Jgnat,

Abaddon, have you not see that jgnats post already answered your questions? you mentioned 1Samuel which was written 1078 B.C.E while Act 15:29 was written 61C.E. Does it not got the latest revision hierarchy , in which generalized abstain from Blood?

Also jgnat, did not answer my question to answer both you're question with regards to Act15:29. Is Vitamin C taken as a pill different from injectable Vitamin C?

To further, answer all your questions I asked then for you to define Organization. . .because your questions are pertaining to organization. . .

1/ Using the Bible show me how you can claim someone who has taken a blood transfusion to save their life can be punished as severely as they are by Jehovah's Witnesses. -abaddon
2/ How can the Elders today claim any right to be involved in the issue without going beyond what is written in the Bible?-abaddon

Is it I avoiding your questions? Or have you not read and digested all our previous post? Please define Organization in this post and not in any other post for us to understand both side of the coin?

Thanks,

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

hello jgnat and abaddon,

by the way before we continue our discussion. . .

What is an Organization? please define. . .

Thanks,

168

Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

Hello jgnat,

Are you saying ascorbic acid taken orally is far different than its intravenous form? are they not same ascorbic acid?

You also did not answer my question Directly: did it not marriage is sacred? So, do want to see your husband with somebody or will your husband accept seeing you with another man?, and therefore Tainting the sacredness of your marriage?

Did it not Jesus, mean a different thing? compare, also he mentioned pour. . .

(Matthew 26:27-28) 27

Also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: "Drink out of it, all of YOU; 28 for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

(Luke 22:20) 20

Also, the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying: "This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in YOUR behalf.

Is it not the mixing another soul in your soul tainting the sacredness of your life? (Genesis 2:7)

Did the bible mentioned heirarchy with regards to blood? where?

If you try and save your soul by following every letter of the law, but fail to show kindness to a stranger, will Jesus recognize you on that great day?-jgnat

Why do you think? it was mentioned in (Matthew 7:21) “ Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!"

Notice, eating were no longer written in Acts 15:29, will heirarchy be applied?

Thanks,

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

hello abaddon,

on my latest reply with jgnat did it not answer your question?

thanks,

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

Hello jgnat,

What's the difference between taking a Vit C pill and using intravenous Vit C?

Did you really found some bible verses contradicting?

Did it not marriage is sacred? So, do want to see your husband with somebody, and therefore Tainting the sacredness of your marriage?

(Leviticus 17:14) 14

For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel: "YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off."

Is it not the mixing another soul in your soul tainting the sacredness of your life?

What did Jesus mean in Matthew 16:25? did it contradict with abstaining from blood?

(Matthew 16:25) For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.

Thanks,

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

hello jgnat,

There are some commands regarding the sacrifice of animals that we do not follow today. - jgnat

(Hebrews 10:10) 10

By the said "will" we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time.

(Romans 10:2-4) 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge; 3 for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.

Do you believe that some commands are more important than others?And if so, how do you determine which are more important than others?-jgnat

(Romans 15:4) 4

For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.

(2 Timothy 3:16-17) 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

There were disputes in Jesus' day whether the Sabbath command should be broken when healing someone or rescuing an animal. What did Jesus answer?-jgnat

(Matthew 12:11) He said to them: "Who will be the man among YOU that has one sheep and, if this falls into a pit on the sabbath, will not get hold of it and lift it out?

Now Is it written in the bible that blood transfusion is allowable? and Is it really love risking your loveones lives on still experimental procedure? or you only love yourself ? Did Act15:29 mean about blood and good health? had this not been proven so many times?can you not see the whole picture?

(Acts 15:29) 29

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!"

http://www.americasblood.org/download/bulletin_v7_n1.pdf
Two primary motivations have inspired renewed interest in the development of red blood cell (RBC) substitutes over the last 20 years: concerns about the infectious risks of transfusion and adequacy of the blood supply.

http://www.americasblood.org/download/bulletin_v5_n1.pdf

http://www.americasblood.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=display.showPage&pageID=123

http://home.arcor.de/mweisser/deathbydoctoring.htm

“Most cancer patients in this country die of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon, or lung cancers. This fact has been documented for over a decade, yet doctors still use chemotherapy for these tumors.” Allen Levin, MD UCSF The Healing of Cancer, Marcus Books, 1990

http://www.bmsi.net/newsindex.htm - New randomized controlled trial: Study Finds That Less Blood or No Blood Transfusions Best for Critically Ill Patients

Now Is it written in the bible that blood transfusion is allowable? and Is it really love risking your loveones lives on still experimental procedure? or you only love yourself ? What did Act15:29 mean about blood and good health? had this not been proven so many times?can you not see the whole picture in our discussion?

Hope you will answer next my question above after really-really digesting our previous discussions ? Need you to answer in Macro view for all things we discussed. . .

thanks. . . .

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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?

by Mastodon in

someone asked me if i knew anything about that.

oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.

thanks!

rootcause

hello jgnat,

Did you mean you did not know the answer to the question?

Until when in the bible the old law covers? how about the new law when did it started?

By the way you may want to surf the site below :

http://www.americasblood.org/download/bulletin_v7_n1.pdf
Two primary motivations have inspired renewed interest in the development of red blood cell (RBC) substitutes over the last 20 years: concerns about the infectious risks of transfusion and adequacy of the blood supply.
http://www.americasblood.org/download/bulletin_v5_n1.pdf
The Institute of Medicine report,
To Err Is Human , has called attention to the enormous morbidity and mortality associated with hospital-based errors. These errors have been largely ignored by government agencies focused on blood safety. For example, the Canadian Krever Commission selectively applied the precautionary principle only to infectious risks of transfusion, but not to the very real non-infectious hazards of transfusion.

http://www.americasblood.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=display.showPage&pageID=123

http://home.arcor.de/mweisser/deathbydoctoring.htm

“Most cancer patients in this country die of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon, or lung cancers. This fact has been documented for over a decade, yet doctors still use chemotherapy for these tumors.” Allen Levin, MD UCSF The Healing of Cancer, Marcus Books, 1990

I would not let you come within ten kilometres of my flesh-jgnat 07-Oct-05 20:59

I will take your advice I will not GO to Canada, your Canadian Krever Commission is really good . . . . .

Will discuss, shortly your other question after you found the answer to my question . . .. .Thanks,