Man I really get riled when I hear this stuff about abuse. I am sorry you have been wronged. I truly hope that the people that hurt you get the measure of justice they are due. I do not beleive any honest person could knowingly allow such a person to continue to associate with the congregation. A question arises... Why take this to the elders and not to the police???
Ragnar1211
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What do you beleive?
by Ragnar1211 insince it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe i am wondering what you do beleive?
1) who is the creator of the universe?
3) why do we grow old and die?
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What do you beleive?
by Ragnar1211 insince it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe i am wondering what you do beleive?
1) who is the creator of the universe?
3) why do we grow old and die?
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My point in posting this topic is to find out if people here are sincerely searching for reason and meaning or whether they are just mean spirited people trying to hurt others by tearing down their beleifs.
My guess is that it is 10% sincere, 90% just out to cause pain. I hope I am wrong. -
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What do you beleive?
by Ragnar1211 insince it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe i am wondering what you do beleive?
1) who is the creator of the universe?
3) why do we grow old and die?
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Getbusyliving: Interesting, thanks for your honest reply.
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What do you beleive?
by Ragnar1211 insince it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe i am wondering what you do beleive?
1) who is the creator of the universe?
3) why do we grow old and die?
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Thanks for the responses - keep them coming please.
By the way, I am not judging anyone, I sincerely hope people are searching for a closer relationship with God rather than trying to tear others down. -
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What do you beleive?
by Ragnar1211 insince it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe i am wondering what you do beleive?
1) who is the creator of the universe?
3) why do we grow old and die?
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Nope, just interested in finding out what people that are so emphatic against Jehovah's witnesses actually beleive.
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What do you beleive?
by Ragnar1211 insince it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe i am wondering what you do beleive?
1) who is the creator of the universe?
3) why do we grow old and die?
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Since it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe I am wondering what you do beleive?
2) Why are we here, where are we going?
3) Why do we grow old and die?
4) Will suffering ever end?
5) Would you go to war against fellow beleivers?
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My mom's being told to shun me.
by GetBusyLiving inthose goofy bastards are up to their old tricks again.
some background: i disassociated a year ago and explained why i was leaving to my mom, who agreed with me and told me that she's been thinking of leaving the dubs for nearly ten years.
she's been inactive for the past year and happier than ever.
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I have not diassosiated myself. I am Dedicated to Jehovah God and count myself as one of Jehovah's witnesses.
I will do my own research in response to the 607 vs 587 question but I actually find the replies from bethel quite convincing on the 607vs587 website.
But here is a question for all you forum goers while I do my own research:
Since it is pretty clear what all of you do not believe I am wondering what you do beleive?
1) Who is the creator of the universe?
2) Why are we here, where are we going?
3) Why do we grow old and die?
4) Will suffering ever end?
5) Would you go to war against fellow beleivers?
6) What does Jesus' sacrafice mean to you?
These are just a few questions off the top of my head that I am extremely interested in hearing a response to. Thanks for your time. -
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My mom's being told to shun me.
by GetBusyLiving inthose goofy bastards are up to their old tricks again.
some background: i disassociated a year ago and explained why i was leaving to my mom, who agreed with me and told me that she's been thinking of leaving the dubs for nearly ten years.
she's been inactive for the past year and happier than ever.
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"Obviously you believe the governing body of JW's to be God's channel. Did you know that Jerusalem was not overthrown by the Babylonians in 607 B.C but rather 587 B.C? Do you understand what this means to the Jehovah's Witness doctrine of the last days begining in 1914 and the Bible students being supposedly chosen in 1919? It means that this has never happened. If you insist on holding to the truth that Jesus was never appointed to rule in 1914 you will be disfellowshiped from the Jehovah's Witness's as an apostate, and shunned by friends and family. Does that bother you at all?"
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Could you please provide me historical references to the 587 BCE date. I am just curious because Jerusalem was overthrown by Babylon around 620 BCE although the temple was not destroyed until 607 bce. -
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My mom's being told to shun me.
by GetBusyLiving inthose goofy bastards are up to their old tricks again.
some background: i disassociated a year ago and explained why i was leaving to my mom, who agreed with me and told me that she's been thinking of leaving the dubs for nearly ten years.
she's been inactive for the past year and happier than ever.
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When did the baptismal questions ever say we were dedicated to anyone but Jehovah God?
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My mom's being told to shun me.
by GetBusyLiving inthose goofy bastards are up to their old tricks again.
some background: i disassociated a year ago and explained why i was leaving to my mom, who agreed with me and told me that she's been thinking of leaving the dubs for nearly ten years.
she's been inactive for the past year and happier than ever.
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Ragnar1211
I agree death is a terrible thing.
However of these deaths that could of been prevented, how many extra days of life could a blood transfusion add? Or blood products? My favorite is reading about innocent people being tied down and forced to take blood transfusions only to die a few days or weeks later.
Blood is an issue that is huge in the eyes of many, but only one set of eyes really does matter. If we try to hold on to a life that is decaying in a system that is falling apart at the seams - what do we gain and what do we give up if we violate God's laws?