MJ, Thanks again! I never read that account. I remember the film was, as you said, kinda cheesy...but the message was really powerful.
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Need help tracking down a video
by coffee_black inthere's a video i saw years ago, set in the 70s (i think) about a college professor who sets out to prove to his students that they are all vulnerable to mind control, and he used hitler and his followers as an example.
he then came up with an experiment that involved the students who...who ultimately proved his point.
i think the name of the video had a number in it...but i can't remember it.... does anyone know what i'm talking about?.
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Need help tracking down a video
by coffee_black inthere's a video i saw years ago, set in the 70s (i think) about a college professor who sets out to prove to his students that they are all vulnerable to mind control, and he used hitler and his followers as an example.
he then came up with an experiment that involved the students who...who ultimately proved his point.
i think the name of the video had a number in it...but i can't remember it.... does anyone know what i'm talking about?.
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MJ...that's it!!!! Why did I think there was a number in the title?!? Thank you soooo much!!!!
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Need help tracking down a video
by coffee_black inthere's a video i saw years ago, set in the 70s (i think) about a college professor who sets out to prove to his students that they are all vulnerable to mind control, and he used hitler and his followers as an example.
he then came up with an experiment that involved the students who...who ultimately proved his point.
i think the name of the video had a number in it...but i can't remember it.... does anyone know what i'm talking about?.
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Thanks Blondie, but I dont' think that's the one.. The Milman experiment involved electric shock, and I don't remember that being part of the film. It only involved the students too...
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Need help tracking down a video
by coffee_black inthere's a video i saw years ago, set in the 70s (i think) about a college professor who sets out to prove to his students that they are all vulnerable to mind control, and he used hitler and his followers as an example.
he then came up with an experiment that involved the students who...who ultimately proved his point.
i think the name of the video had a number in it...but i can't remember it.... does anyone know what i'm talking about?.
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There's a video I saw years ago, set in the 70s (I think) about a college professor who sets out to prove to his students that they are all vulnerable to mind control, and he used Hitler and his followers as an example. He then came up with an experiment that involved the students who...who ultimately proved his point. I think the name of the video had a number in it...but I can't remember it.... Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Ray Franz.
by Englishman ini typed "ray franz" into my wt cd library.
this is what was in the kingdom ministry of august, 1980:.
announcements.
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Gill,
Ray didn't join the Pentacostals....He just reads the Bible with close friends on a regular basis.
Nothing formal. He hasn't joined any Church...
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Just for Fun! Your Santa's Helper Name
by heart2heart invery cute and fun!
find out your "santa's helper name" and email it to your friends and family for a laugh!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/fun_stuff/christmas/santas_little_helper_names.shtml.
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Cutie Holly Gnome
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I Love It When The Words Are Wrong..
by Englishman inmy old boss was forever going on about us being careful "not to set any presidents".. hl's friend's ex-hubby needs some surgery on his knee to have "his cartridge removed".
she's signed an affy-david as part of the divorce process.
meanwhile he spends his time in night clubs watching the cadbury.. jenny, the pub's landlady, took the quiz a couple of weeks back and questioned us about "far from the maddening crowd".
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Expecially for especially... Excetera for etcetera...There is no x in either word...drives me nuts!
I read an article years ago that combined many of the mistakes that kids make when saluting the flag...
" I led the pigeons to the flag
of the United States of America,
And to the republic for Richard Stands,
one naked individual
with liberty and Justin for all."..
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would you go back if...
by what_Truth? ina member of the gb splits breaks away and takes a few billion with him.
he decideds to found his own church.
this church is almost exactly the same as the jehovah's witneses except for a few major changes .
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Ummmm....let me see.....go back to a place where gossip is king and you can't trust any of your so called friends...go back to being treated as though I don't have a brain...and have to swallow whatever they teach without question....go back to a business that is masquerading as a religion....one that is responsible for destroying more lives and families than I care to count.... go back to a cult that demanded all my time and my allegiance and held out false promises in return.... go back to a life in which nothing is normal...
No matter what you did to try to change it, the attitudes would still be there. It is not worth saving in any form.
Ummm....let me see.... would I go back to a modified version of the borg? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Being a JW Woman - Was It Really That Bad?
by eljefe ini have seen quite a few posts from many ex-jw women about how unhappy they were about male domination in congregation.
was it really that bad?
when i was still a jw, no one ever told me anything to that effect.
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Scully,
My Dad designed electical and nuclear power stations for a living. He was an elder, and I learned to pronounce it correctly from him when I was very small. I work in a field where I encounter architects and engineers on a daily basis. You would be amazed by how many of these extremely intelligent people pronounce it "nu cue lar" It's one of my pet peaves too, but I wouldn't say it was any kind of measure of intelligence.
Sorry didn't mean to side track...
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Being a JW Woman - Was It Really That Bad?
by eljefe ini have seen quite a few posts from many ex-jw women about how unhappy they were about male domination in congregation.
was it really that bad?
when i was still a jw, no one ever told me anything to that effect.
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Dodger Stadium, 1971.... My husband (now x) and I volunteered for pre-assembly and assembly work. Since I had some attended College, majoring in art, I volunteered for the sign dept. Since you had to put down alternate choices, I also volunteered for cafeteria work. I made the comment to my husband that regardless of my education and experience in art, they would assign me to the cafeteria because I am a woman. He said Oh no, they won't do that. Well, they did just that. He confronted the situation, and was informed that it was indeed because I was a woman. He pressed the issue, and under duress, they assigned me to the sign dept. So, I show up for work, and the brother in charge (wrong term for this moron) says...ok, go set up the screen print station and if you can do that, you will rise to the level of a man in my opinion. I asked where the tools were. He said, well, you don't know much do you. I told him that I could hardly be expected to know where he kept the tools since I had never even met him. Well, we got through that somehow, and I got to work. Lunch time came and everyone left for lunch except me. I kept working. I was getting pretty hungry...we had been up since 4:30 and traveled some distance to get there, so it had been many hours since I had eaten. When he returned from his lunch break, I asked if he would mind if I went to lunch. He said Oh you can't leave...you have to finish the job, and clean up. Well that's what I did, and left about 4:00.. I never went back. That kind of ignorance astonishes me. Weeks later I got a letter from him wondering why I had never gone back. He tried to justify his actions, and said he felt just fine about the way he had treated me.
At one point we were in a small congregation on the east coast. A sister called in the middle of the night begging for help. She said that her husband had been beating her. I drove to get her while my husband called one of the elders. When we got back to the house he informed me that the elder had told him not to get involved. It was her own fault, and she brought it on herself. We were told to take her home. Nice.
My Dad was an elder, and after an elders meeting at our house, my Mom made coffee and treats, she joined the group and they sat around talking. One of the elders brought up the subject of a "what if situation". What if the congregation was small, and the only male was disfellowshipped? Who would conduct the meetings? The answer that most of them agreed upon astounded my Mom and Dad. They said that the disfellowshipped man would be the only one who qualified. My Mom spoke up and voiced her outrage. "So you're saying that no matter what the man did, how bad he was, he still was better in Jehovah's eyes than a woman. Well, you're absolutely wrong." My Dad agreed with her.
I had a sister tell me once that subjection means that if your husband says he only likes white clothing, then that is what you are required to wear.
I witnessed a pioneer sister state an opinion to her adult son. She was reprimanded by another brother for "counseling a brother". I piped up and said, she is his mother...she changed his diapers, and taught him a great deal of what makes him who he is today. You mean to tell me that she can't tell him what she thinks?
Just a few lessons I have learned along the way. There were countless examples just like this and worse.
I can't say it's the only reason I left. It's only a small part of a very large picture. I can honestly say that no one treats me the way I was treated in the borg. I am successful and happy and respected in my career and my life. My life is a good place to be.
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