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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

wizzstick

Hi DoT,

Like you I stayed away from 'apostate' sites.

This one has next to no comments on, just quotes from WT publications, which of course are not apostate:

http://dciscorp.com/qwotes/admin-site-map.htm#beliefs

and this one is a useful site with loads of PDFs from old literature, so it's just a study site:

http://wtarchive.svhelden.info/english/

Scroll down on the left to the english section and you'll see the links to the different literature.

For example, when I was researching the societys attitude to race I found this quote on the link above (http://dciscorp.com/qwotes/race.htm):

There is no servant in the world as good as a good Colored servant

I simply couldn't believe it was true. So I looked it up on the wtarchive site, and there it was:

http://wtarchive.svhelden.info/archive/en/GoldenAge/g1929.pdf

Open the PDF and enter page number 479 at the top of the PDF.

Ask yourself, why would God's Spirit directed organisation make that comment?

The section Medical & Science on the quotes site makes for some jaw dropping reading. Check out http://dciscorp.com/qwotes/vaccination.htm

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

I was a JW for 25 years. Aux Pioneered, MS, and went to Bethel. And now I've left. Why? I summed it up in one line to a close JW friend who was argung on the basis of "well where else do we go?". That line was this:

"It doesn't matter how 'right' they are, what matters is where they are wrong."

Look at it like this. You go door to door. You meet someone from Christendom. It could be argued they're in a better position than someone who is a Muslim, or Hindu, or a Buddhist. They use the Bible. They worship God. They believe in salvation through Christs death. And so on. Great! But then they have false teachings. Trinity. Hellfire. Immortal soul. So going back to you on the doorstep, you gently point out where they are wrong. After a while they get defensive.

"It doesn't matter that some points might be wrong. What matters is my relationship with Jesus Christ!"

And you reply...

"Yes it does matter. The Bible says we must worship in spirit and...truth. It also says that a little leaven ferments the whole lump. So can we have false teachings and still worship in an acceptable way to God?"

Do you get the point? What matters is where they (JW's) have been wrong before...

Multiple unfulfilled dates: 1874, 1878, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975.

Multiple false statements, 'young people not fulfilling a career', 'the generation of 1914 will not pass away', 'preaching work to be fulfilled in the 20th century and so on.

And where they're still wrong to this day:

607BCE, the wrong location for the Great Crowd, Jesus not being our mediator and so on.

It is shattering to realise that this isn't the Truth. It really is. And most here haven't found anything to replace it with. But I also think most here would say it's better to live in reality than in a fantasy.

Take your time.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

wizzstick

We only adjust our understanding to a better one, that will not keep changing,

Funny thing about 'new light', I can't find any examples in the Bible!

Can you?

You know, like how it works in the WT. Where something is preached as Truth, then changed, and changed, and changed, and changed...

Like the understanding of the generation of Matt 24:34. There's been SIX understandings, two times the same understanding, and our old fav:

http://www.jwfacts.com/images/w84_1914_generation.JPG

Eveyone HAD to believe that in the Truth. If I said it was two overlapping groups I would have been disfellowshipped.

Why would God work like that?

Where does he make people believe in false teachings in the Bible?

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

wizzstick

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/worship-jesus.php

http://www.jwfacts.com/images/watchtower-1939-nov-15-p339.tiff

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What did you lose your virginity to JWN? Before or after leaving the JWs?

by usualusername in

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i visited this site about 2 years after leaving?.

when did you first visit jwn?.

paul.

wizzstick

I joined over 7 years before I could make a post.

I just wanted it so badly to be The Truth.

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District Assembly arrangements 2014.

by quellycatface in

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my jw mother drives me nuts.

she lives in quite a cut-off part of the uk and this year, is expected to travel to hq (rugbyfans), aka twickenham.

she's great to make the trip, it's like a spiritual holiday for her.. i said i thought it ridiculous and unreasonable for the gb to expect people to travel that far and pay for accommodation near london.

wizzstick

A LOT of UK Witnesses are unhappy about this.

Everyone I know has groaned about going to Twicks on the bank holiday weekend. Friday and Sunday will be a bitch on the roads.

My in-laws are going to Twicks from the South coast. Each day on a coach (no accom for them). So they have to get at god knows what o'clock, and go to a nearby town. Get on the bus (6am I think) and then sit on that to Twicks. The repeat home. They hope to be home by 10pm...for each day!

My mother is in North Essex and I understand they're assigned to Twicks too. After going to a local football stadium for a few years. They've also got a hell journey for 3 days.

So cue lots of cheesed of Jay Dubs.

Happifying indeed!

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The Apostasy Project - UK

by wizzstick in

this is interesting.. the apostasy project is by the rationalist association and is helping those who wish to leave their religion do so:.

http://apostasy.org.uk/.

direct link to their video:.

wizzstick

This is interesting.

The Apostasy Project is by the Rationalist Association and is helping those who wish to leave their religion do so:

http://apostasy.org.uk/

Direct link to their video:

http://vimeo.com/65374092

JW's mentioned in the article. Wonderful to see such help starting up.

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Lots of campaigns this year

by thedog1 in

lots of leaflet campaigns this year.. 1. leaflet campaign to invite people to the memorial.

2. district convention invitations.. 3. campaign to advertise jw.org in august.. .

doesn't leave much time for conversations..

wizzstick

Keep 'em busy.

Then when the reports are tallied up 2014 can be hailed as a significant year of theocractic activity.

Thus we can be sure that we've pleased our heavenly father in the 100th anniversary year of his son taking the throne and expelling the Great Apostate Satan from heaven...

Sorry for that breakdown in transmission - normal service will now resume.

Time obsessed little cult.

Actually, thinking about it, does this mean the 8 Who Rule are Time Lords?

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I'm free . . .

by zed is dead in

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i'm free- i'm free,.

and freedom tastes of reality,.

i'm free-i'm free,.

wizzstick

Brilliant!

I love that album. I love even more the 1975(!) movie soundtrack album (you need a Spotify account for these):

Roger Daltrey – I'm Free

Another great track from that album is:

Roger Daltrey – We're Not Gonna Take It

The lyrics are interesting..

These pricey deals don't teach us.

Your freedom doesn't reach us.

Enlightenment escapes us.

Awareness doesn't shape us.

How can all this trivia take us to the goal you reached?

We came here to be like you, to find the world you preach.

and also:

We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still

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Fall of Ukraine to Europe Crosses Putin's Red Line.

by scotoma in

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zbigniew bryezinski -- national security advisor carter administration.

without ukraine russia ceases to be empire, while with ukraine - bought off first and subdued afterwards, it automatically turns into empire...according to him, the new world order under the hegemony of the united states is created against russia and on the fragments of russia.

ukraine is the western outpost to prevent the recreation of the soviet union.

wizzstick

Nothing will happen.

Stuff will happen. Of course it will. That's human beings for you. But nothing to do with the Watchtower!