Can you see how absurd the above looks? You could do the same for pixies, Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy and so on. And again, you need to work from a position whereby people have an agreed idea of what you mean when you talk about unicorns, pixies, Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy etc.Unicorns can exist, even if, as Simon said, the possibility that they exist in the form that we expect them to exist is so hugely remote that we chose to embrace the notion that it may just as well be inexistent. However, because we haven’t made a research so wide as to scan the entire universe and all the known dimentions (not to mention those dimensions who aren’t known yet, but merely theorized that exist), no one can say with a 100% degree of absolute certainty that “no unicorns exist”. As per the example above, they do exist. Hence, I stand by the proposition that “The only thing that can be said about unicorns is that they're absent”- absentunicornism.
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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Modern atheism is obsessed with presence.
No. Let me correct that for you.
Modern atheism is obsessed with evidence. A very different proposition indeed.
What a bizarre thread. EdenOne, you were on a losing streak with this one. If I stated;
"The existence of ThoBerras can't be proved, neither is there evidence of ThoBerras inexistence"
I doubt most people would say "Fair enough". I would suggest most people would immediately say "Who or what is ThoBerras?".
To have a meaningful discussion on any subject you have to check your audience understands what that subject is. If you won't or can't provide an answer to what the subject is then how can the discussion proceed?
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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included
by Crazyguy inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.
to funny nice job....
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I'm in the no camp for this kind of stunt.
It just fuels the JW persecution complex. Such as the end is sooo close now...they are getting attacked in their Halls during the memorial...things going from bad to worse...blah blah.
It does nothing except look self congratulatory for the instigators.
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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Oh and also:
The thing that many people just cannot see is the historical references from the bible such as the circle of the earth.
The Hebrew word Chug does not mean sphere. It's meaning is more like the circle of a compass:
Read more here:
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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those dead sea scrolls, which no one edited or changed was found in the 20th century and contains the same text as the Hebrew bible. So no man could change it because it's sacred text.
No man could change it? Apart from the person that left out an entire Psalm!
Q: Are there substantial differences between the text of the Hebrew Bible manuscripts found at Qumran and the Masoretic Text?
A: Yes … and no. On the one hand, they show a stability in the text. We see how faithful the Masoretic tradition was, that it could preserve a lengthy ancient text for over a thousand years. On the other hand, there are some key differences. An extra psalm. Slightly different wording. Most important is the occasional variation that clarifies something that was puzzling in the Masoretic Text. A good example is Isaiah 53:11. The translation of the Masoretic Text reads: “Out of the suffering of his soul, he will see and be satisfied.” He will see what? The word “see” has no object. But in the Isaiah scrolls found at Qumran, we find that verse 11 contains the missing object: “Out of the suffering of his soul, he will see light.” And guess what? The Septuagint also has the missing word.Click on:
You need to research more on the Christian Greek Scriptures pressman. Read Professor Bart D. Ehrman's. Scholar's have to guess which translation to use at times. And then there's the internal discrepancies between the Gospel accounts. An example:
Barton and Muddiman cite inconsistencies between the gospel writers about what happened at Christ's tomb. They note that "In Mk 16:1 there are three women at the tomb, in Mt 28:1 two, and in Lk 23:55-24:10 more than three. In Mark and Luke they come with spices to anoint Jesus, but in the Fourth Gospel this has already been done.
Internal Consistency of the Bible: ExamplesYou've got lots of reading to do if you want to learn the truth...
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BBC blatantly begins advertising!
by The Searcher inthe bbc receives miion$ every year from the tv licence fee which is imposed on folks with a tv.
due to that source of income, they cannot advertise as other channels do to raise money.. however, the bbc has changed its web site to include video adverts which have to be viewed prior to seeing the news video - bank of america in this one.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32158049.
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It's not coming up now.
As Simon says, the BBC (BBC Worldwide actually) have been doing this for years. It's perfectly legit. The licence fee has been frozen so the Beeb looks to outside the UK to pay to see its services. And therefore generate revenue streams for the BBC in the UK.
But it's ad-free within the UK.
Fair enough surely?
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UK London screening of 'Truth Be Told' THIS Saturday March 28th 2015
by wizzstick injust to let you know that there is a planned screening of 'truth be told' in london for this saturday afternoon.. can you come?
if so could you let the event organiser ste know, as he needs to get numbers in order to make the booking.
details below:.
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UK London screening of 'Truth Be Told' THIS Saturday March 28th 2015
by wizzstick injust to let you know that there is a planned screening of 'truth be told' in london for this saturday afternoon.. can you come?
if so could you let the event organiser ste know, as he needs to get numbers in order to make the booking.
details below:.
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wizzstick
Hi all,
Just to let you know that there is a planned screening of 'Truth Be Told' in London for this Saturday afternoon.
Can you come? If so could you let the event organiser Ste know, as he needs to get numbers in order to make the booking. Details below:
"Truth Be Told" Screening details: Meetup.com
If you've not heard of 'Truth Be Told' the trailer is linked below:
Truth Be Told - Official Trailer
I saw the documentary at the Portbello Film Festival in 2013 and it's certainly worth watching. Plus there's the chance to chat to others who have had similar experiences to you before and after the screening at a nearby pub.
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15 Years of Jehovahs-Witness.com
by Simon inyes, today is the forum's 15th birthday!.
i never thought for one moment that it would survive this long or have so many people post so many great subjects over the years.. it is still humbling when i get pm's or emails from people expressing how the site has helped them and of course thanks goes to all the posters who have shared their experiences and make helpful and supportive comments to others who are in the sometimes difficult process of learning the real truth about 'the truth'.. the site has gone through several different incarnations over the last 15 years running on different platforms, different databases and different hosts but we've been able to keep all the old topics.
the current site is still being developed and i'm hoping to push another major upgrade soon.. i also may have some other news to share soon about the future of the site so stay posted.. until then, here's the the next 15 years!
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Congratulations and many thanks for sticking with it so long. This site was a major influence on me waking up.
Simon, looking at your Welcome post you still seemed pro-JW at the time? If so how long was it till you woke up? Or had you already woken up?
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Some Early Church Fathers even ignored the name YHWH
by opusdei1972 ini was reading the bart's answer to terry on th name "jehovah", and i remembered that when i did my personal study about the church fathers of the second century i found that justin martyr ignored the divine name:.
from the first apology of justin martyr:.
... and as many virtues as are peculiar to a god who is called by no proper name.
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They do talk about this:
The Challenge of Knowing God by Name (w10 7/1 pp.4-8)
Such ones, like Justin Martyr, are 'apostate Christians'.
Of course any Christian who disagrees with them is 'apostate'.