Posts by wizzstick

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Did The Witnesses Predict the United Nations in Advance?

by TD in

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it's been reported on this forum that bethel speakers at this summer's conventions are asserting that the establishment of the united nations in 1945 was predicted in advance by the witnesses.

this is being presented as validation of the claim that the witnesses are god's one true organization directed by holy spirit.. .

the basis for this claim originates with a public address entitled, peace - can it last given by n.h. knorr at the new world theocratic assembly, on september 20 of 1942. .

wizzstick

JR did serve Adolf Hitler with a letter making him know that (to paraphrase the letter) "your goose is cooked and so is your Third Reich's" It appears to me that in this case Jehovah made the word of his servant come true. -Isaiah 44:26

Or....he was defeated by people who were willing to fight for their country and freedom. Had everyone taken the JW line and not fought, we'd be a world speaking German and Japanese.

How you can read a thread like this, that exposes the WT's deceitful presentation of it's own history, and then post that I'll never know.

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JW anti-gay children movie viral in Netherlands national media + official reaction of JW spokesman Branch office

by Gorbatchov in

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various dutch (netherlands) media mentioned the anti-gay children movie on jw.org,.

and gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual organizations are shocked, and some gay people.

are reporting the movie to the local police.. the official spokesman of the dutch branch office in emmen declared that the movie is.

wizzstick

To be fair no it doesn't. The child is encouraged to tell her friend about the paradise and the animals and the resurrection.

Yes...but we all know the implication.

"For your two mummies to get into paradise they will need to change!"

Which in the real world would make them be very unhappy given they aren't gay by choice.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

wizzstick

It's more like saying if you are not in a hetrosexual marriage you will have to remain celibate until armageddon which is "just around the corner".

Crofty - I'm genuinely stunned you're failing to see this.

Gay JW's will presumably change their nature into heterosexual once the big A has been and gone.

Straight JW's will not. They will stay straight.

But in the real world, gay people can't change. That is how they are. The WT is suggesting they can change - if they want to please God.

I suggest you speak to gay ex-JW's, as I have, and understand how utterly miserable this situtaion was for them. It wasn't about being unable to find a mate due to circumstances outside of their control, but being FORBIDDEN to find a mate.

With any heterosexual JW there is always a chance.

With gay JW's there is absolutely no chance.

So to suggest they could change is a hateful stance to take.

Take some time off line to reach out to gay ex-JW's and find out what it was like to be in that situation for decades (in some cases), with no hope of a way out.

Being gay in the JW organisation is VERY different to being straight.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

wizzstick

It is relevant, the ones that don't find a mate are expected to remain celibate.
The JW position is no sex outside marriage. It's ridiculous but it isn't hate.

I wonder if gay JW's would agree with such a viewpoint?

I say again:

Most heterosexual JW's find a mate.

Zero homosexual JW's can find a mate.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

wizzstick

It isn't hateful it's just dumb.

It is hateful.

The message is, if you're gay you can change.

You can't.

It's like me saying, if you want to you can stop being straight. And because of that, if you don't you will have to be celibate until you die.

Hate doesn't need to be about about screaming at people. Foaming at the mouth Westboro style. It can be about placing someone into impossible situation and making them feel it's their fault.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

wizzstick

A lot of JWs fail to find a mate in the cult and are condemned to a life of enforced celibacy.

That's not a relevant example.

Most heterosexual JW's find a mate.

Zero homosexual JW's can find a mate.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

wizzstick

They demand that a gay person stops having a gay sexual relationship. That is unreasonable and narrow-minded but I don't think it amounts to hatred of gay people.

Really? Let's imagine this is a racial way:

They demand that a black person stop having a sexual relationship. That is unreasonable and narrow-minded but I don't think it amounts to hatred of black people.

Can a person of colour change their skin colour?

No.

So this would amount to hatred not in a direct way, but indirectly, by impacting on their sex life. Which is a basic human need.

Can a gay person change their sexuality?

No.

So again, this amounts to hatred not in a direct way, but indirectly, by impacting on their sex life. Which is a basic human need.

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