Posts by wizzstick

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Joseph and his generation

by maninthemiddle in

so the wt used ex 1:6 to define a generation from the very beginning.

then in the this september broadcast the same person (splain) who spent 20 min with charts to explain a generation, makes a point that joseph and his brothers were very close in age?

(min 4:29).

wizzstick

Am I missing something here that they could contradict themselves so easily?

It's worse than that - they contradict the Bible!

Genesis 50: 22-26
22 And Joseph continued to dwell in Egypt, he and the household of his father, and Joseph lived for 110 years. 23 Joseph saw the third generation of E′phra·im’s sons, also the sons of Ma′chir, Ma·nas′seh’s son. They were born upon Joseph’s knees. 24 At length Joseph said to his brothers: “I am dying, but God will without fail turn his attention to you, and he will certainly bring you up out of this land to the land about which he swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.” 25 So Joseph made the sons of Israel swear, saying: “God will without fail turn his attention to you. You must take my bones up out of here.”26 And Joseph died at the age of 110, and they had him embalmed, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

Problems to flag to JWs:

1 – Joseph lived for 110 years, much longer than people live today so not a great example.

2 – Joseph lived to see the third generation of Ephraim’s sons (Ephraim was Joseph’s son so that’s 4 generations in total!)

So their use of Joseph collapses by using the Bible.

Not great huh?

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Pioneer School - Columbian Style

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

at the la vega kingdom hall, which is around 35 miles north west of bogota, columbia.. with a population of just under 50 million, there are some 165,000 active jws in the country - a ratio of around 1-in-300.. they conduct around 220,000 studies each month, and with just under 24,000 regular pioneers, the country saw a 2% increase last year.. last year's memorial attendance was over half-a-million, which means 1-in-100, or 1%, of the country attended.. street view of the outside of the kingdom hall: .

https://goo.gl/maps/4wxafcxgfrb2.

remember, the video below is in spanish, if that's a problem -, don't click the link .

wizzstick

One can only pity them.

And here's another group of deluded people.

LDS Missionaries Home Coming

Sincerity doesn't equal truth.

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Mouthy has Passed Away

by Simon in

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friends

update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.

i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.

- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.

wizzstick

How very sad.

Grace was a real character, a lovely lady and showed it was possible to wake up at any age.

Sending best wishes to her family.

143

Fidel Castro and the WT

by Hecce in

i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

wizzstick

Interesting thread.

And thanks for putting the September 8th 1960 Awake article up. From the last paragraph:

Observers everywhere will be interested to learn that God's Word foretells a coming all-out attack by the Soviet planners against the servants of Jehovah. (Dan. 11: 44, 45) This aggression by the Communist world~grabbers constitutes grounds for Almighty God's predicted destruction of international communism, "and there will be no helper for him." Designers of the Soviet master plan will learn the hard way: "Many are the plans in the heart of a man, but the counsel of Jehovah 'is what will stand."-Prov.19:21. 19

Yet another prediction made by the WT that failed.

Grief - even a broken clock can be accurate twice every day.

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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

by xxBettyBoopxx in

this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

wizzstick

KateWild / xxBettyBoopxx / lara croft et al: please stop trolling with duplicate accounts. It's dishonest and I'm done with your endless drama and attempts at disruption.

Really? It's Kate?

How very sad.

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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

by xxBettyBoopxx in

this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

wizzstick

Your family is dead until they save themselves

Wow - that was helpful.

Please peddle your sky fairy crap somewhere else.

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Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom

by Tenacious in

for those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.

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happy reading!.

wizzstick

In his last years I don't believe Ray was concerned with the distributing of his information but rather that it was available.

What evidence do you have to back that statement up?

It's clearly obvious you have not read both of Ray's books, otherwise, you would know how Ray and Nestor K. felt about the spreading of this 'vital' information.

I have read both and can't think of anything that suggested that he wanted to give his book away for free.

He could have easily put a free to download PDF on the Commentary Press website.

Why didn't he?

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Generation expiry date?

by pleaseresearch in

how long will it take for a jw to see that even the overlapping generation is wrong?.

the org waited and waited to see if their interpretation of it came true.

those alive in 1914 would still be alive obviously it didn't and jws have to believe in an overlapping generation.

wizzstick

something must give by 2017 latest

So on Jan 1st 2018...then what?

You renounce the WT as a false prophet?

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Online article, ex JW

by Lostandfound in

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jehovahs-witnesses-religion-christianity-religious-group-what-is-it-like-a7214966.html?cmpid=facebook-post.

not sure if this already posted, article from uk independent online newspaper.

wizzstick

I think it's great to see.

It seems to have had quite a reaction:

UPDATE: Wow, this just exploded. Please bear with me as I try to keep up with all the questions!
UPDATE 2: Thanks for all the questions people, there were so many that unfortunately I couldn't answer them all, but my fellow Ex-JWs managed to answer a few. I will return here tomorrow and try to answer ones that were left unanswered. And even after the AMA ends I urge you to visit r/exjw, you will get even more answers there.
UPDATE 3: R.I.P. Inbox. 1100 unread messages. It will probably take a while to take it down to 0 :).

For us it's nothing new, but the more people start to realise what a high control group the JW's are, the better.

It certainly doesn't hurt to see more Elders (in this case from Poland) waking up.

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Did the flood happen?

by BlackWolf in

so we were talking about noah for our family worship tonight and it ended with a little debate between me and my parents about how the flood was possible.

you know, where did the water come from, how did all the animals fit, etc.

of course it led nowhere and my parents came up with some strange theories like that there was "an expanse of water in the sky" and that's where all the water came from.

wizzstick

Scientific evidence is subject to interpretation. Jesus confirmed that it did by referring to it same as he confirmed the creation of Adam and Eve by referring to them.

The passages in the Bible are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies etc.

If there is anything that is of questionable interpretation then it's the Bible!

I'll trust the overwhelming evidence that there wasn't a global flood as opposed to bronze age scribes.