Posts by wizzstick

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The 1914 doctrine: How long it will last?

by opusdei1972 in

one hundred years have passed and the society still supports this lie, which of course, is the basis of their other lies, like that of the unfaithful and not discreet slave appointed in 1919. however, i wonder, what will happen after 50 years, when the overlapped generation will pass?.

and if you want, what will happen with this religion in 2100?, could it survive with the same lie??

?.

wizzstick

I think that the whole point of the One Generation = Two Overlapping Groups was to buy time.

They didn't seem to need that doctrine but they still invented it.

So what's the expiry date?

I would suggest the 2030s. By that point Mark Sanderson will be in his 70s. He's been used as an example of the second group that overlaps with the first.

It wouldn't be a surprise to me if they're not already re-examining scriptures with the view to create a whole new end times dating system.

The WT needs the end to be 'close' to 'create' urgency. As 1914 fades into the distance it will be harder and harder to maintain that urgency.

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Origin of Life

by cofty in

in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

wizzstick

Good thread.

Mars may have life on it. Bacterial life. Images from a satellite above Mars excited people when they showed dark moving patches. If there is liquid on Mars, and it contains bacterial life, how will the Theists explain it away?

I've realised that there's a hard core group of Theists that will always reject evidence. If intelligent space aliens appeared tomorrow and humanity said 'So was it God or evolution?' and the space aliens said 'evolution' then a huge section of humanity would reject them. They're wrong - they don't know for sure. They're demons (which I'm sure would be the JW.org response).

Sad really.

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Looking For WTS Quotes

by Vanderhoven7 in

for practical reasons (a study next week).

i'm looking for wts quotes that claim.

the religion of jehovah's witnesses is the only true religion.

wizzstick

Straight for the mouth of God:

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/true-religion/

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Joseph and his generation

by maninthemiddle in

so the wt used ex 1:6 to define a generation from the very beginning.

then in the this september broadcast the same person (splain) who spent 20 min with charts to explain a generation, makes a point that joseph and his brothers were very close in age?

(min 4:29).

wizzstick

Am I missing something here that they could contradict themselves so easily?

It's worse than that - they contradict the Bible!

Genesis 50: 22-26
22 And Joseph continued to dwell in Egypt, he and the household of his father, and Joseph lived for 110 years. 23 Joseph saw the third generation of E′phra·im’s sons, also the sons of Ma′chir, Ma·nas′seh’s son. They were born upon Joseph’s knees. 24 At length Joseph said to his brothers: “I am dying, but God will without fail turn his attention to you, and he will certainly bring you up out of this land to the land about which he swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.” 25 So Joseph made the sons of Israel swear, saying: “God will without fail turn his attention to you. You must take my bones up out of here.”26 And Joseph died at the age of 110, and they had him embalmed, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

Problems to flag to JWs:

1 – Joseph lived for 110 years, much longer than people live today so not a great example.

2 – Joseph lived to see the third generation of Ephraim’s sons (Ephraim was Joseph’s son so that’s 4 generations in total!)

So their use of Joseph collapses by using the Bible.

Not great huh?

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Pioneer School - Columbian Style

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

at the la vega kingdom hall, which is around 35 miles north west of bogota, columbia.. with a population of just under 50 million, there are some 165,000 active jws in the country - a ratio of around 1-in-300.. they conduct around 220,000 studies each month, and with just under 24,000 regular pioneers, the country saw a 2% increase last year.. last year's memorial attendance was over half-a-million, which means 1-in-100, or 1%, of the country attended.. street view of the outside of the kingdom hall: .

https://goo.gl/maps/4wxafcxgfrb2.

remember, the video below is in spanish, if that's a problem -, don't click the link .

wizzstick

One can only pity them.

And here's another group of deluded people.

LDS Missionaries Home Coming

Sincerity doesn't equal truth.

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Mouthy has Passed Away

by Simon in

jw
friends

update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.

i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.

- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.

wizzstick

How very sad.

Grace was a real character, a lovely lady and showed it was possible to wake up at any age.

Sending best wishes to her family.

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Fidel Castro and the WT

by Hecce in

i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

wizzstick

Interesting thread.

And thanks for putting the September 8th 1960 Awake article up. From the last paragraph:

Observers everywhere will be interested to learn that God's Word foretells a coming all-out attack by the Soviet planners against the servants of Jehovah. (Dan. 11: 44, 45) This aggression by the Communist world~grabbers constitutes grounds for Almighty God's predicted destruction of international communism, "and there will be no helper for him." Designers of the Soviet master plan will learn the hard way: "Many are the plans in the heart of a man, but the counsel of Jehovah 'is what will stand."-Prov.19:21. 19

Yet another prediction made by the WT that failed.

Grief - even a broken clock can be accurate twice every day.

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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

by xxBettyBoopxx in

this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

wizzstick

KateWild / xxBettyBoopxx / lara croft et al: please stop trolling with duplicate accounts. It's dishonest and I'm done with your endless drama and attempts at disruption.

Really? It's Kate?

How very sad.

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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

by xxBettyBoopxx in

this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

wizzstick

Your family is dead until they save themselves

Wow - that was helpful.

Please peddle your sky fairy crap somewhere else.

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Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom

by Tenacious in

for those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.

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happy reading!.

wizzstick

In his last years I don't believe Ray was concerned with the distributing of his information but rather that it was available.

What evidence do you have to back that statement up?

It's clearly obvious you have not read both of Ray's books, otherwise, you would know how Ray and Nestor K. felt about the spreading of this 'vital' information.

I have read both and can't think of anything that suggested that he wanted to give his book away for free.

He could have easily put a free to download PDF on the Commentary Press website.

Why didn't he?