Oh and also:
The thing that many people just cannot see is the historical references from the bible such as the circle of the earth.
The Hebrew word Chug does not mean sphere. It's meaning is more like the circle of a compass:
Read more here:
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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those dead sea scrolls, which no one edited or changed was found in the 20th century and contains the same text as the Hebrew bible. So no man could change it because it's sacred text.
No man could change it? Apart from the person that left out an entire Psalm!
Q: Are there substantial differences between the text of the Hebrew Bible manuscripts found at Qumran and the Masoretic Text?
A: Yes … and no. On the one hand, they show a stability in the text. We see how faithful the Masoretic tradition was, that it could preserve a lengthy ancient text for over a thousand years. On the other hand, there are some key differences. An extra psalm. Slightly different wording. Most important is the occasional variation that clarifies something that was puzzling in the Masoretic Text. A good example is Isaiah 53:11. The translation of the Masoretic Text reads: “Out of the suffering of his soul, he will see and be satisfied.” He will see what? The word “see” has no object. But in the Isaiah scrolls found at Qumran, we find that verse 11 contains the missing object: “Out of the suffering of his soul, he will see light.” And guess what? The Septuagint also has the missing word.Click on:
You need to research more on the Christian Greek Scriptures pressman. Read Professor Bart D. Ehrman's. Scholar's have to guess which translation to use at times. And then there's the internal discrepancies between the Gospel accounts. An example:
Barton and Muddiman cite inconsistencies between the gospel writers about what happened at Christ's tomb. They note that "In Mk 16:1 there are three women at the tomb, in Mt 28:1 two, and in Lk 23:55-24:10 more than three. In Mark and Luke they come with spices to anoint Jesus, but in the Fourth Gospel this has already been done.
Internal Consistency of the Bible: ExamplesYou've got lots of reading to do if you want to learn the truth...
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BBC blatantly begins advertising!
by The Searcher inthe bbc receives miion$ every year from the tv licence fee which is imposed on folks with a tv.
due to that source of income, they cannot advertise as other channels do to raise money.. however, the bbc has changed its web site to include video adverts which have to be viewed prior to seeing the news video - bank of america in this one.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32158049.
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It's not coming up now.
As Simon says, the BBC (BBC Worldwide actually) have been doing this for years. It's perfectly legit. The licence fee has been frozen so the Beeb looks to outside the UK to pay to see its services. And therefore generate revenue streams for the BBC in the UK.
But it's ad-free within the UK.
Fair enough surely?
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UK London screening of 'Truth Be Told' THIS Saturday March 28th 2015
by wizzstick injust to let you know that there is a planned screening of 'truth be told' in london for this saturday afternoon.. can you come?
if so could you let the event organiser ste know, as he needs to get numbers in order to make the booking.
details below:.
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UK London screening of 'Truth Be Told' THIS Saturday March 28th 2015
by wizzstick injust to let you know that there is a planned screening of 'truth be told' in london for this saturday afternoon.. can you come?
if so could you let the event organiser ste know, as he needs to get numbers in order to make the booking.
details below:.
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wizzstick
Hi all,
Just to let you know that there is a planned screening of 'Truth Be Told' in London for this Saturday afternoon.
Can you come? If so could you let the event organiser Ste know, as he needs to get numbers in order to make the booking. Details below:
"Truth Be Told" Screening details: Meetup.com
If you've not heard of 'Truth Be Told' the trailer is linked below:
Truth Be Told - Official Trailer
I saw the documentary at the Portbello Film Festival in 2013 and it's certainly worth watching. Plus there's the chance to chat to others who have had similar experiences to you before and after the screening at a nearby pub.
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15 Years of Jehovahs-Witness.com
by Simon inyes, today is the forum's 15th birthday!.
i never thought for one moment that it would survive this long or have so many people post so many great subjects over the years.. it is still humbling when i get pm's or emails from people expressing how the site has helped them and of course thanks goes to all the posters who have shared their experiences and make helpful and supportive comments to others who are in the sometimes difficult process of learning the real truth about 'the truth'.. the site has gone through several different incarnations over the last 15 years running on different platforms, different databases and different hosts but we've been able to keep all the old topics.
the current site is still being developed and i'm hoping to push another major upgrade soon.. i also may have some other news to share soon about the future of the site so stay posted.. until then, here's the the next 15 years!
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Congratulations and many thanks for sticking with it so long. This site was a major influence on me waking up.
Simon, looking at your Welcome post you still seemed pro-JW at the time? If so how long was it till you woke up? Or had you already woken up?
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Some Early Church Fathers even ignored the name YHWH
by opusdei1972 ini was reading the bart's answer to terry on th name "jehovah", and i remembered that when i did my personal study about the church fathers of the second century i found that justin martyr ignored the divine name:.
from the first apology of justin martyr:.
... and as many virtues as are peculiar to a god who is called by no proper name.
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They do talk about this:
The Challenge of Knowing God by Name (w10 7/1 pp.4-8)
Such ones, like Justin Martyr, are 'apostate Christians'.
Of course any Christian who disagrees with them is 'apostate'.
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Anyone have the video of explaining the new understanding of 1914?
by average joe intheres was a mention about it in the september 23rd boe .
where can i find the video explaining 1914 or at least the new explanation of 1914 from the wt society and not you trying to remember bits and pieces :) ?
thank you
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The video has been removed from JW.Org.
When Did God’s Kingdom Begin Ruling? (Part 1)
and here:
When Did God’s Kingdom Begin Ruling? (Part 2)
Warning - makes no sense at all.
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... and three kings he will humiliate...Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine
by scotoma inwhy ukraine, georgia and moldova should choose the eu ...www.forbes.com/.../why-ukraine-georgia-and-moldova-should-ch...forbe.
oct 13, 2014 - by vasil jaiani - despite the risk, ukraine, georgia and moldova are still ...russia has been fiercely opposing integration of the former soviet ...russia's punitive trade policy measures towards ukraine ...www.ceps.eu/.../russias-punitive-trade-policy-measures-towards-ukraine.... sep 25, 2014 - russia's punitive trade policy measures towards ukraine, moldova and georgia.if you don't have adobe reader, you can download it here.eu signs pacts with ukraine, georgia and moldova - bbc.comwww.bbc.com/.../world-europe-280526...british broadcasting corporation.
jun 27, 2014 - ukraine, georgia and moldova have signed partnership agreements with theeuropean union, in a move strongly opposed by russia.
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I consulted the entrails of a sheep last <remember to insert date before posting> and I did have this revealing...
Verily, I warn ye on JWN - if thou dost mock the prophet of the Lord thou will be smited and hated by the one true God who is the God of True Prohecy.
Remember the prophecy upon Tyre! Doest anything live there now?
Remember the prophecy upon the Land of the Chaldeans! Doest anything live there now?
Repent - heed scotoma. For verily the links he posteth to contain the revelation of the Lord!
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JW Child Abuse Makes 'Private Eye'
by Joe Grundy infollowing on from the recent thread about wt losing an appeal concerning the uk charity commission (sorry, i can't do the link) i'm pleased to report that this matter is covered in the latest 'private eye' (20 march - 2 april issue).. it's a one-third page article (p.34) under the heading 'child abuse' and the headline 'silent witnesses'.
it reports the case accurately, mentions several criminal cases and the ongoing high court compensation case.
it includes some of judge mckenna's comments..
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Well done Joe. Great work. Private Eye is read by a lot of MP's and those in the establishment. Good to get this problem to a wider audience.