Posts by wizzstick

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

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so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

Jeremiah 25:12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.

Then i used the Insight book to establish what happened in the 70 years before 539. so from 609 to 539.

Yes good point.

The 70 years have to finish at 539 - if you're take the exegesis approach. But the WT has to take the eisegesis approach.

The other point to note that the Bible states that the land of the Chaldeans would be a desolate wasteland for all time.

That land today is a mixture of Iran/Iraq/Syria. And it has millions of inhabitants! So the Bible was wrong.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

539 is a verifiable, historical fact. It is indisputable.

539 is calculated using secular sources. The same indisputable secular sources that point to 587. You managed to read all of GTR and not pick up on that?

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

You believe the conclusions of others but you don't know.

If you accept 539 then you believe the conclusions of others.

If you accept WT doctrines then you believe the conclusions of others.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

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so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

Anything after 2017 does not add up to me.

If nothing happens in 2017 and my guesses turn out to be wrong;

And I guess it still doesn't add up to you.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

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so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

No - that's what the evidence proves. It's that same evidence that provides 539. It's a huge body of physical evidence I'm talking about. The tax receipts, the Egibi Archive. If you're happy to accept 539 then you have to accept 587. Doubt 587 and then you have to doubt 539.

But, WT interpretation of the Bible does not. And WT views on 607 have not been disproven.

Yes they have. Repeatedly.

Previously you said:

WT overlapping doctrine only adds 20 years. 2016, time is up.............................

and you said:

Anything after 2017 does not add up to me.

So - I say yet again:

Jan 1st 2018.

Will you post on this forum and be man enough to admit the the JW 1914 doctrine was crap.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

GTR does not prove 587

No - the copious amounts of evidence from the Neo Babylonian era does.

And you stated:

2016, time is up............................

So - answer my question.

Jan 1st 2018.

Will you post on this forum and be man enough to admit the the JW 1914 doctrine was crap?

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

So Fisherman.

Jan 1st 2018.

Will you post on this forum and be man enough to admit the the JW 1914 doctrine was a crap?

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

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so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

Apparently it expires in 2017...

Fisherman 9 months ago
GT was expected 70 years after 1914 (when you overlap 2 lifes times it is about 100 years) -ok give it 123 years; 2017 expires.
The purpose of Jesus sign was so that his disciple would see it and be ready when he came. In the first century all the apostles were presumed dead except for John or so when 70 CE came but nevertheless the other christians experienced the GT and were ready to flee Jerusalem.
The first batch of 1914 GB generation.are dead. Why would God have those anointed wait for 100 years without some realization?
Anything after 2017 does not add up to me. A generation that dies does not need the sign. Since generation includes 2 overlapping parts, neither part should pass away away and the GT should come within a time frame experienced by both parts not just the second part because generation means both overlappers. THis generation means both parts not just the second overlappers. My guess.

82

the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

Hey Fisherman - here is another great post by that poster.

Time was up in 2016 apparently:

Fisherman 8 months ago
Because the anointed are the wt generation, they are supposed to pass away, Prologos
Given: WT theology
They do, wt always taught that rapture means passing way in the twinkling of an eye AFTER they see the final part of the sign. But the destruction is not the sign or part of the sign. The destruction is what the sign points to.
It is the OS, prospective members of the GC, a constantly overlapping generation ,
The great crowd of other sheep cannot interlap. First of all, they do not pass away, they survive, and second of all, each dude as an individual expects life in his lifespan which means that the oldest gc member should not be destined to die of old age.
It is all Greek to me sort of speak, but the way I interpret "...generation not passing away until.." simply means that the prophecy in its entirety should fulfill in 70-100 or so years or the maximum lifespan of anyone living at that time. WT overlapping doctrine only adds 20 years. 2016, time is up.............................

82

the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

wizzstick

GTR is mostly commentary. However, on page 403 of the latest revision of said book, the author concedes that there is controversy disputing 587: RR Newton and scholarly support for his belief that challenges Ptolemy's observation as fabricated. - See Scientific American Oct 1977 issue page 80.

Fisherman - if you are reading GTR then you will know that Jonsson presents 17 lines of evidence. The accumulative effect is overwhelming:

Secular history is right.

Some additional context.

The 1914 doctrine is not a JW doctrine. It's not even a Bible Student doctrine. It's an inherited doctrine from Barbour that CT-R adopted. It's so old it pre-dates modern archealogy. But given the JW's have made such a fuss over it they are stuck with it. For now.

But it won't last indefinetly - as one poster said:

Fisherman 5 months ago
October 1 2016 marks 102 years from 1914 and close to 41 years from 1975. There should be something coming down on the horizon either event or teaching, my guess that something must give by 2017 latest. I have posted this before.

Oh wait...