out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.
7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.
10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.
They mean nothing more than what you attribute to them.
With over 7 billion people on the Earth that means you could have over 7 billion viewpoints.
I simply can't seen the attraction. Imagine people intrepreting the craters on the moon. Endlessly debating about different crater's widths and shapes, and coming up with different interpretations of what they mean.
Wouldn't you be - WTF?
That's me with numerology.
Just...WTF.
out of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.
7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.
10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.
Why?
Why even think that there is something in 'numbers' in the Bible?
Just...why?
on a ex-jw fb group this post went up in december.
been meaning to copy and paste it on here.
the op on fb said they were happy for it to be shared:.
Hi,
On a Ex-JW FB group this post went up in December. Been meaning to copy and paste it on here. The OP on FB said they were happy for it to be shared:
Yesterday a couple of us in this group met up with a BBC investigations correspondent who was involved in the original Panorama program in 2002. He and a colleague, both very experienced investigative journalist who have worked on high level programs would like to do a followup to the original program.
He asked if anything had changed in the way JWs handle abuse since the program, and we were able to give him information about the Australian Royal Commission, the Charity Commission and all the abuse cases in the media since then. Sadly no change in policy from JWs and in fact with the shunning element it has got worse.
He was quite shocked and fired up and his wanting to 'doorstep' elders who will not get involved in giving evidence was quite reassuring. However, although this request for a future program came from them, he and his colleague must 'sell' the idea and show the need for it, and he asked for our help. They need cases of abuse that have been mishandled :i.e not reported to the police or where an abuser went on to abuse others. Because of the nature of the program, they need people who are willing to go on camera with their story. A further caveat at the start is that since this will be handled by BBC Scotland, if at least one case comes from Scotland they have a better chance of getting the program started and will move to cases further afield.
He has given permission for victims to contact him and then maybe decide later if you feel able to continue with the program, but as I think you will appreciate.....this is a great opportunity not to be missed if at all we can provide source material. If you think what happened to you could show that JWs are still the same and you dont mind speaking about it, he would like to hear from you.
Right now he is involved in investigative matters regarding another abuse scandal at football clubs so is busy but wants to get started on our situation and feels it might be March or April when realistically he can do something,but it wont happen if we cannot provide cases where there is evidence so if you could think about it, talk to anyone who you might know would be willing to come forward, he would be grateful.He is Mark Daly and his email is [email protected]
If there are any ex-JW's that would be ok to share their stories on camera then contact the journalist above.
The 2002 documentary is up on You Tube if you wish to see it:
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so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
JWs are correct about 607 and 1914.
until 1914 when Jesus became king.
If you believe this sky fairy nonsense then Jesus became King in 33CE.
Matt 28:18 - Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
According to the Bible Jesus got all authority in heaven and in earth in 33CE. What more power can you have in heaven and earth than all? What was left to be given when you have it all?
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
the city of Babylon was eventually destroyed more than 1000 years ago and has not been rebuilt until today. and nobody is living there.
It is being rebuilt and has been (on and off) since the 1980s.
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
you have to decide which parts you accept and/or reject.
I accept it as a Book written by various men 2,000 - 3,000 years ago. It's one of the most important collection of historical manuscripts ever.
But it's claim to be inspired by God is of course laughably untrue.
It's claim about what would happen to the Land of the Chaldeans is just one of many examples.
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
But that has no place in this thread.
It does - because if the Bible is demonstrably wrong then it's waste of time talking about its prophecies.
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
Jeremiah 25:12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.
Then i used the Insight book to establish what happened in the 70 years before 539. so from 609 to 539.
Yes good point.
The 70 years have to finish at 539 - if you're take the exegesis approach. But the WT has to take the eisegesis approach.The other point to note that the Bible states that the land of the Chaldeans would be a desolate wasteland for all time.
That land today is a mixture of Iran/Iraq/Syria. And it has millions of inhabitants! So the Bible was wrong.
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
539 is a verifiable, historical fact. It is indisputable.
539 is calculated using secular sources. The same indisputable secular sources that point to 587. You managed to read all of GTR and not pick up on that?
so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).
You believe the conclusions of others but you don't know.
If you accept 539 then you believe the conclusions of others.
If you accept WT doctrines then you believe the conclusions of others.
