Posts by wizzstick

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

wizzstick

That's interesting. I've only managed to locate and visit Grace Communion International congregations. I can't find any active WWCG splinter groups locally. I was told by a Grace Communion International member that there were a few adherents of a splinter group called "United Church of God" in Scotland but they didn't last long and have no active congregations in Scotland. Maybe one in Newcastle, I was told.
This is something I have found: just because a group has a presence on the Internet, doesn't necessarily mean they have a functioning church in the real world. I think some of the WWCG splinter groups faded away pretty quickly and exist in name only. (On that, I suspect that the "Lord's Witnesses" may be as real as Gordon Ritchie's chronology. Has anyone ever been to any of their meetings to verify they exist?)
The church headed by Jospeh Tkach (pronounced t-catch) is by far the biggest, although it has shrunk a lot. By the way I heard from an insider that Tkach is retiring next year. I wonder how that will work and if it will survive without him.

Interesting thoughts there.

The GCI Wikipedia page has some interesting points that could in time end up applying to the Org.

In general, Tkach Sr. directed the church theology towards mainstream evangelical Christian belief mostly against the wishes of his congregations and they were given no input as he had maintained the same structure as Mr Armstrong. This caused much disillusionment among the membership and another rise of splinter groups. All these changes, the church admits, have organizationally brought about "catastrophic results," though they believe that it is spiritually the best thing that ever happened to them.

Though many of the current members, however still follow his basic beliefs and would consider the current administration as apostate despite still attending.

Today, the GCI headquarters has downsized for financial survival. The denomination sold much of its property, including sites used for festivals, campsites built for teenagers, its college campuses, and private aircraft.[citation needed] They discontinued publishing all the books, booklets and magazines published by Armstrong.

To further economize, the church sold its properties in Pasadena and purchased an office building in Glendora, California.

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Faithleaks-Did you guys see this?

by carla in

the story mentions they may come after jw's-.

http://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2017/11/07/memo-to-all-religions-mormonleaks-may-be-coming-after-you-with-new-faithleaks-site/?hl=1&noredirect=1.

wizzstick

There website is here:

https://faithleaks.org/

It includes instructions on how to send them documents.

Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/FaithLeaks

Personally I think it's great. It may even help some JW's wake up if they see documents on a more generalist website rather that an 'apostate' one.

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Mid 80's quote on 1934 not being start of the Last Days

by wizzstick in

can anyone remember this?.

in a mid-80s i seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.. inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587bce was the fall of jerusalem.

but history has shown it was 1914'.. does this ring any bells?.

wizzstick

Thank you to kjkidd and freddo - I have it now!

Image from WT:

Thank you to everyone who replied.

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Mid 80's quote on 1934 not being start of the Last Days

by wizzstick in

can anyone remember this?.

in a mid-80s i seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.. inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587bce was the fall of jerusalem.

but history has shown it was 1914'.. does this ring any bells?.

wizzstick

Thanks Steve2.

Have been searching JWFacts and Googling but no joy so far.

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Mid 80's quote on 1934 not being start of the Last Days

by wizzstick in

can anyone remember this?.

in a mid-80s i seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.. inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587bce was the fall of jerusalem.

but history has shown it was 1914'.. does this ring any bells?.

wizzstick

Can anyone remember this?

In a mid-80s I seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.

Inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587BCE was the fall of Jerusalem. But history has shown it was 1914'.

Does this ring any bells?

If so do you know which publication (name, date and page would be helpful)?

Thanks in advance.

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One Question to ask any JW that will blow their end times out of the water

by maccauk in

ask any jw this one question.

are there any apostles from the 1st century still walking the earth alive today ?.

100% will say there are no apostles from the 1st century alive today.

wizzstick

When messiah returned for his elect in 70ad

But the Apostle John lived beyond 70ad - why was he left behind?

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One Question to ask any JW that will blow their end times out of the water

by maccauk in

ask any jw this one question.

are there any apostles from the 1st century still walking the earth alive today ?.

100% will say there are no apostles from the 1st century alive today.

wizzstick

If I were still a dub , I would reply that Jesus' followers were not appointed as apostles (with Holy Spirit) until the time of Pentecost some after his death and ascension to Heaven .... So at the time he said it, they were not apostles
NB Matthias and Paul were of course appointed later

The JW interpretation of this is that Jesus was referring to the transfiguration, which occurs a few days later.

Which is crazy - what are the chances that a number (possibly the majority) would die in the next 6 days?

And given that none of them did, it's also a false prediction.

The hoops that JW's and other Christians have to jump through to explain this scripture away!

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Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo

by darkspilver in

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daniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.

family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.

set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.

wizzstick

I went to see this yesterday in Hackney.

Really good film, I would describe it as about 98% accurate.

The 3 main leads are superb. The mother is like so many middle aged single mothers I can think of in the organisation.

The actors playing the elders are spot on - particularly the younger super keen CO wannabe.

It's strength lies in the acting, and how the JW's look so odd when presented so normally (if that makes sense). I'd be fascinated to know what active JW's make of the film.

We've waited for many years for someone to make a movie about JW's that feels 'right'. And this does for me.

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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words

by maccauk in

a man can be a father .

a man can be a son.

a man can be a husband.

wizzstick

But he is all those to 3 different people.

Not the same person.

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So there are only 12 magazines left!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

😉.

wizzstick

This is a landmark moment in the history of the Org.

This marks the end of the ministry.

Why?

Think about the pioneers and publishers.

When I was a reg aux pioneer, the back bone of the ministry was always route calls, Going out to people every 2 weeks with the latest magazines.

With the same 12 magazines on loop, then how does that work anymore?

How will the dubs pad out their times now?

This really is the beginning of the great wind down.