Posts by wizzstick

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

wizzstick

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

wizzstick

Anyone who would return to a controlling cult is a weak person.

Sad but true.

Anyway, as you say it's a moot point, it's how they control people so it will always be there in one form or another.

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

wizzstick

Without the threat of shunning, what are they (any jw) going to do about it...?

Shun!

Shunning is something anyone can do. You don't have to be a JW to shun someone.

JW's have been told to shun all their lives - do you really think they'd stop just because the organization said the DF'ing was stopping?

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

wizzstick

If you end shunning its actually not a cult anymore

Shunning is just part of a cult but that is not the whole story. They:

Tell you who you can have sex with

What clothes you can wear

What music you can listen to

What films you can watch

What friends you can have

What education you can get

What health care you can't have if it involves blood or part of blood

It consumes your time with mind numbing meetings designed to keep you busy

You'll be expected to go out door to door to peddle their BS

They lie to their members and do not allow people a space to voice divergent perspectives

You really want to go back to that?

Shunning is directed by the Organization but enacted by the JW populace. For years they've been told this is scriptural. Do you honestly think if the Org stopped it tomorrow that all the individual Witnesses would stop?

The damage by the cult is done, and people will remain with a cult mentality.

I miss my wonderful friends but there is not enough money on this planet to get me to return to that genuine waste of life.

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

wizzstick

Im on record saying that if they ended df’ing (shunning), i mean really ended it not just changed the name, id go back, at least nominally.

Why on earth would anyone go back?

It's a cult!

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Creeeeepy Sanderson

by oppostate in

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creepy sanderson.

wizzstick

Sanderson (and the guy to his right) look very well fed.

114

the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

wizzstick

That's interesting. I've only managed to locate and visit Grace Communion International congregations. I can't find any active WWCG splinter groups locally. I was told by a Grace Communion International member that there were a few adherents of a splinter group called "United Church of God" in Scotland but they didn't last long and have no active congregations in Scotland. Maybe one in Newcastle, I was told.
This is something I have found: just because a group has a presence on the Internet, doesn't necessarily mean they have a functioning church in the real world. I think some of the WWCG splinter groups faded away pretty quickly and exist in name only. (On that, I suspect that the "Lord's Witnesses" may be as real as Gordon Ritchie's chronology. Has anyone ever been to any of their meetings to verify they exist?)
The church headed by Jospeh Tkach (pronounced t-catch) is by far the biggest, although it has shrunk a lot. By the way I heard from an insider that Tkach is retiring next year. I wonder how that will work and if it will survive without him.

Interesting thoughts there.

The GCI Wikipedia page has some interesting points that could in time end up applying to the Org.

In general, Tkach Sr. directed the church theology towards mainstream evangelical Christian belief mostly against the wishes of his congregations and they were given no input as he had maintained the same structure as Mr Armstrong. This caused much disillusionment among the membership and another rise of splinter groups. All these changes, the church admits, have organizationally brought about "catastrophic results," though they believe that it is spiritually the best thing that ever happened to them.

Though many of the current members, however still follow his basic beliefs and would consider the current administration as apostate despite still attending.

Today, the GCI headquarters has downsized for financial survival. The denomination sold much of its property, including sites used for festivals, campsites built for teenagers, its college campuses, and private aircraft.[citation needed] They discontinued publishing all the books, booklets and magazines published by Armstrong.

To further economize, the church sold its properties in Pasadena and purchased an office building in Glendora, California.

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Faithleaks-Did you guys see this?

by carla in

the story mentions they may come after jw's-.

http://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2017/11/07/memo-to-all-religions-mormonleaks-may-be-coming-after-you-with-new-faithleaks-site/?hl=1&noredirect=1.

wizzstick

There website is here:

https://faithleaks.org/

It includes instructions on how to send them documents.

Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/FaithLeaks

Personally I think it's great. It may even help some JW's wake up if they see documents on a more generalist website rather that an 'apostate' one.

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Mid 80's quote on 1934 not being start of the Last Days

by wizzstick in

can anyone remember this?.

in a mid-80s i seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.. inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587bce was the fall of jerusalem.

but history has shown it was 1914'.. does this ring any bells?.

wizzstick

Thank you to kjkidd and freddo - I have it now!

Image from WT:

Thank you to everyone who replied.

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Mid 80's quote on 1934 not being start of the Last Days

by wizzstick in

can anyone remember this?.

in a mid-80s i seem to remember a publication with a box on a page.. inside the box it was saying something like 'some have wondered if 1934 could be the correct starting date, if 587bce was the fall of jerusalem.

but history has shown it was 1914'.. does this ring any bells?.

wizzstick

Thanks Steve2.

Have been searching JWFacts and Googling but no joy so far.