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  Superstitions

  by Geoff in

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  i was reading through some of you guys old postings and i was laughing so hard.

  some of you guys still believe the strange things your mom and dad said but didnt explain like not eating count chocula cereal.

  didnt ever occur to you that maybe your parents thought that keeping you away from something as simple as a cartoon dracula might be in your best interests?

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  you dont believe in the devil?

  How appropriate that you should challenge him with that, given your choice of title/subject of this thread.

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  Edward Dunlap recording

  by Geoff in

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  i thought one of the points made by this edward dunlap ( http://www.consolidatedcap.com/media/dunlap.html).

  character was particularly interesting.

  he said that he believed that pual in the christian times believed that "faith alone was enough to garantee that you where saved.

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  then why should I listen to, or take anything else he says seriously when he cant even get one of the most important truths about the bible right

  You shouldn't. You point refutes all else, blasts the whole reform/apostate movement out of the water, and validates everything about the WBTS. Stay in; stay an active witness. You've earned it.

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  The Devil's Music

  by COMF in

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  man, spring is in the air and i feel the need to jam!

  i haven't played with a live band since i moved here last august.

  last band, circa july 2000 - virgin ears:.

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  Man, spring is in the air and I feel the need to JAM! I haven't played with a live band since I moved here last August. Last band, circa July 2000 - Virgin Ears:

  Don't any of you exJW musicians live within traveling distance of Dallas?

  T.R., man, what is that around your neck? It looks too small for a bass. Is it a guitar, banjo, mandolin...? Where are you?

  We need, at minimum, a guitar/keyboard/other lead instrument, a bass, and me on drums (you other drummers... I'll think about it). We could come together, practice a few times, and then hold our own ApostoFest free concert! C'mon, you guys, respond, let's put together a band.

  My suggestion for a name: Apostatitis

  COMF

  Giggin' with the Texas Firewater Band:
  
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  But to be Loved Alone

  by COMF in

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  englishman said, in another post:.

  my auntie lou has had 4 marriage proposals since being widowed.

  guess why she says no!

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  How would you feel if you called her up to spend time with her, and she compared you to eggs and bagels and said there is no reason to be with just you and then said that she is spending time with Dick ( but not yours) for the rest of the week?

  If you got the impression that I intended for only myself to enjoy the benefits of that perspective, then you didn't understand me. Obviously, if I think this is a good attitude to have, then I'm going to have to think it is a good attitude for my partners to have, no? Your question above is asked with the clear assumption that any activity with a man other than me would constitute a rejection of me; that sex with any man other than me would be a threat to my relationship/friendship/arrangement/whatever with her.

  Not so. Consider again these words of Ms. Morrow's:

  "It is all right to wish to be loved alone," he said, "mutuality is the essence of love. There cannot be others in mutuality. It is only in the time-sense that it is wrong. It is when we desire continuity of being loved alone that we go wrong." For not only do we insist on believing romantically in the "one-and-only" -- the one-and-only love, the one-and-only mate, the one-and-only mother, the one-and-only security -- we wish the "one-and-only" to be permanent, ever-present and continuous. The desire for continuity of being-loved-alone seems to me "the error bred in the bone" of man. For "there is no one-and-only," as a friend of mine once said in a similar discussion, "there are just one-and-only moments."

  When she is with me, these are my "one-and-only moments." When she is not with me, what she does is none of my business. It would be my wish that she enjoy herself. Shall I be jealous when she goes shopping with her friends? When she goes to the spa and gets an all-over body massage from some hulk with arms as big as my legs? When she spends the majority of her day in closed meetings with business associates I have never met, doing I know not what? No, because when we come together, that will be my moment of one-and-only-ness. That I know there will be such times is enough. They don't have to be "permanent, ever-present and continuous."

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  But to be Loved Alone

  by COMF in

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  englishman said, in another post:.

  my auntie lou has had 4 marriage proposals since being widowed.

  guess why she says no!

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  Englishman said, in another post:
  

  My Auntie Lou has had 4 marriage proposals since being widowed. Guess why she says no! She values her independence too much

  Amen, and more power to you, Auntie!

  I believe children need a solid, stable family life. I think the best environment for developing a healthy attitude toward self and others is a functional, traditional family structure.

  Now that my kids are grown, however, I've had the darndest time trying to see the point of committing your love, attention and sex activities to a single person. Frankly, I find that sex is much more enjoyable without the trappings of commitment, jealousy, fear of betrayal, and insistence on "me and me alone." And I can find no reason why a person shouldn't enjoy the company, including sex, with someone who is a friend, but not romantically involved (given the usual understoods like complete honesty, mutual consent, protection from disease/pregnancy, etc.).

  I'm close friends with several women, any one of whom would, I have no doubt, make an exciting and delightful bed partner. Seriously, what is accomplished by restricting my sexual activities to just one of them? I'm not raising kids; I already finished that.

  Sometimes I start my morning with a tall vanilla latte. Sometimes I have orange juice and a bagel with cream cheese. Sometimes it's eggs over medium with picante sauce, bacon and hash browns. Sometimes it's waffles with butter and honey. If I wake up to scrambled eggs today, is that a betrayal of the bagel and cream cheese? Is my delight in bagels diminished as a result?

  If I sometimes wake up with Barbara, and sometimes with Jennie, and sometimes with Amanda, then if this morning I wake up with Melissa, how is this a betrayal of Barbara?

  Everyone who never feels any sexual attraction to anyone except their mate, raise your hands.

  Why do you suppose that happens, that sexual attraction to others? Imperfection? Please. How about, that's the way we are naturally, and the monogamy thing is a kind of leftover from the days when the family unit was insular and necessary for survival? How about, we only still do it because we were told from infancy that this is how it's supposed to be? How about, the majority of folks don't do it anyway, they just play a pretend game and lead a double life? How about getting rid of the pretense?

  More and more all the time, this makes sense to me. Frankly, I like living alone. I love people and I love company, but there's a lot to be said for having your own place and your own space, and allowing people into it as you see fit rather than constantly sharing it with another.

  In her book, Gift From the Sea, Anne Morrow Lindbergh wrote something that hit me like a sack of bricks when it was brought to my attention. Interestingly, the person who sent it to me did not intend for the words to be understood in the context I'm discussing here. I don't think Ms. Lindbergh did, either, given the illustrations she chooses; but then again, the application of her words to partnerships could hardly have escaped her. consider what she says about "being loved alone" versus "alone moments." There are two pages to the excerpt. The first sets the stage for the second by giving the illustration. The second brings home the obvious conclusion. If you're easily distracted, skip the first. If you want the full thrust of it, read both. (Note: throughout the book Ms. Lindbergh uses seashells as symbols for stages of life and social interaction)

  1. http://www.scarletmoon.com/fred/Lindbergh/Double_Sunrise1.html
  2. http://www.scarletmoon.com/fred/Lindbergh/Double_Sunrise2.html

  Consider closely what she says about the nursing child alone with its mother... the desire to be loved alone; yet the other children are clamoring at the door; one loves them, too...

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  Fascinating, Even to Me!

  by COMF in

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  i found hourglass2 outpost, a forum "for jehovah's witnesses and interested ones", on the internet several years ago; as i recall, around november 1996. from that time on i have constantly seen references to ray franz's book, crisis of conscience.

  i never felt any compulsion to read the book, however, having concluded simply through discussion and reasoning on the well-documented evidence in their own writings that the wbts was a sham.

  i just didn't feel like devoting as much of my time and attention as it would take to read an entire 400-page book divulging in meticulous detail the corruption rampant in that organization.. recently, though, i decided to buy and read the book anyway.

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  I found Hourglass2 Outpost, a forum "for Jehovah's Witnesses and interested ones", on the internet several years ago; as I recall, around November 1996. From that time on I have constantly seen references to Ray Franz's book, Crisis of Conscience. I never felt any compulsion to read the book, however, having concluded simply through discussion and reasoning on the well-documented evidence in their own writings that the WBTS was a sham. I just didn't feel like devoting as much of my time and attention as it would take to read an entire 400-page book divulging in meticulous detail the corruption rampant in that organization.

  Recently, though, I decided to buy and read the book anyway. I purchased the third edition, published in 1999. This is evidently a fairly substantial rewriting of the original, published in 1983, because in it Franz notes damage control measures the society took after the first edition and how they attempted, after the fact, to put up a facade of candor by acknowledging some things that his book revealed. He also discusses certain claims made in the 1993 WBTS publication, Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, showing that they are lies and that hundreds of people who were eyewitnesses to the facts, including everyone on the governing body at the time of the book's publication, knew firsthand that they were lies.

  I have just finished chapter four, "Internal Upheaval and Restructure." I want to say that I found this chapter fascinating and had to read it through without stopping. Although I have long known of the WBTS propensity for lying or, more often, for just attempting to convey a mistaken impression through carefully chosen weasel words, it never had occurred to me before that the entire concept of a governing body in modern times, as claimed by the society to have been overseeing kingdom interests in modern times, was a lie as well; that no such governing body existed in any recognizable form or wielded any authority before 1975. It is also an eye-opener to read the story of how the governing body came to have authority and power in the face of the anger and opposition of Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz, especially when Ray juxtaposes those events with the description of them in society literature as smoothly occurring "progressive improvements."

  If you've been mildly curious about this book but haven't bothered with it because you're out and free, then I just want to suggest that you give it a read anyway. It's fascinating. I'm very glad that I decided to go ahead with it. If you're aware of the corruption of the organization but are still in due to family, you might prefer to skip it, however... it'll just spotlight and amplify the filth you're wallowing in.

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  i remembered!!!!

  by unanswered in

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  i'm so bad about remembering these types of things, but, not this time!.

  happy birthday, riz!!!.

  you are a wonderful friend, and you constantly crack me up!

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  Happy birthday, riz! Unlike unanswered, I didn't know. But since they started singing I figured I oughta join in.

  I'll be 27 in a couple of weeks. UGH!)

  Damn, you're old! Next time you go to a funeral, it'll hardly be worth your trouble to come back to town, huh!

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  Tipping Your Hat to a Woman is SATANIC

  by JanH in

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  *** w52 4/15 254-5 questions from readers ***.

  "* is it proper for men to tip their hats to women?g.

  s., missouri.

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  Aw, dang, I misread the title. I thought it said, "Tipping Your Hat to a Woman who is SATANIC."

  I was thinking, "What, she turns you into a toad for being a male chauvinist? Puts a curse on your underwear and they keep riding up in your crack? Or maybe just slams you down on a straw mat amid the candlewax, fingerbones and shrunken heads. Hey...!

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  (edited to add a forgotten closing double-quote)
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  Your best caption please.

  by nicolaou in

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  we all know how this works, just give us your best caption for this pic' .

  [why do i get the feeling that 'gutter' will crop up more than once?].

  nic'.

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  I see some of you are attempting to use quantity to compensate for the absence of quality. I beg of you, please: desist.

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  P.S. A classic Cheech and Chong line would work pretty well: "You know, sir: before, I was all messed up on drugs. But now, I'm all messed up on Jehovah!"
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  DALLAS, TX - this weekend anybody?

  by waiting in

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  hey y'all,.

  my husband & i will be in grapevine (right near dallas [so they say]).

  this weekend, fri, sat & sun., for a business seminar.

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  Now I'd just tell you to "hush up, fool."

  ...which would probably be the best thing you could say to me when I'm on a tear. Or at least, the most appropriate. LOL

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