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  The Inherent Goodness Fallacy

  by comforter in

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  most or all people are good.

  actually, humans are basically evil.

  the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.

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  larc

  Pedophilia is also included. You know what they also say. Sin is sin. LOL

  Those who practice pedophilia will not inherit the kingdom. It is an evil and abominable practice.

  HStep

  I made it clear that humans are not totally depraved, they have a measure of goodness in them. Notice I said too that all humans are basically evil. Me and you included.

  My argument is objective. It is based on what men have done and still do. The empirical evidence suggest that men are basically evil. And no matter what people think, good is "good" and bad is "bad." Comforter thinks we know what is evil by the inward appropriation or disappropriation we feel and by scripture. Motives don't mean squat when someone commits an act that harms themselves and others. Take child molstation for a second. Is it good or bad? What if one commits molestation with good motives? Does that make molesting a child good?

  I already said why I posted this homily.

  Comfort

  Edited by - comforter on 13 July 2002 21:24:22
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  The Inherent Goodness Fallacy

  by comforter in

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  most or all people are good.

  actually, humans are basically evil.

  the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.

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  Dear Bang

  Someone on this very place said>>>

  Thank you Simon for this place.

  It's a good place for good people and I learned that really 99.99% of all people are good. Just learning to accept others as they are and to unlearn the many prejudices that are so ingrained by religion, has been for me an education of greater worth than any university education!<<<

  The Enlightenment and romantics promoted similar views.

  Comfort
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  The Inherent Goodness Fallacy

  by comforter in

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  most or all people are good.

  actually, humans are basically evil.

  the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.

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  comforter

  Most or all people are good. So they say. Actually, humans are basically evil. The Bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up. (Genesis 8:21) The human heart is treacherous, who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9) All men have sinned and fall short of God's glory. Men are basically evil.

  Comforter is not saying that people are totally depraved. They are not. We are made in God's image and we retain a touch of that image even while sinful. But all humans are inclined toward evil because of Adam and Eve. Therefore I do not trust this world and the bad advice that worldly counselors often give. It is simply wrong to believe that we just have to accept people as they are, warts and all, when it comes to morals. Christians do no such thing. Drunks, homosexuals, fornicators, greedy persons, revilers or adulterers will not inherit God's kingdom. Christians need to resist sin and every semblance of evil.

  The Enlightenment teaching of inherent goodness is a fallacy. Wake up and recognize.

  Comforting love
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  Serious Question About Molestation

  by comforter in

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  2. child-abuse

  does anybody know the stats for child molestation in the usa as to race and sex?

  who commits molestation more often statistically in the usa?

  what is their gender and race?

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  Thanks for the data, Valis. But I would not call what I normally post "crap." There is nothing crappy about the Bible or God. I really wondered about the profile of pedophiles however from the standpoint of deviant behavior and criminology.

  Serious comfort
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  Serious Question About Molestation

  by comforter in

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  2. child-abuse

  does anybody know the stats for child molestation in the usa as to race and sex?

  who commits molestation more often statistically in the usa?

  what is their gender and race?

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  comforter

  Does anybody know the stats for child molestation in the USA as to race and sex? Who commits molestation more often statistically in the USA? What is their gender and race? Any reliable numbers thyat can be provided?

  Sincere comfort
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  With Whom Has God Been Patient

  by comforter in

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  god has been patient with evil in the world since the days of adam and eve.

  his day is not tarrying but is right on schedule.

  god, however, is presently showing patience and self-control, not only with the world of unbelievers but also with the congregation of his faithful witnesses.

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  God has been patient with evil in the world since the days of Adam and Eve. His day is not tarrying but is right on schedule. God, however, is presently showing patience and self-control, not only with the world of unbelievers but also with the congregation of his faithful Witnesses. They have many things to work on to try and get things right before the day of wrath. That is why Peter wrote to Christians in his day--

  "Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

  Jehovah's Witnesses know that God is being patient with them today and they are vigorously working on their shortcomings. The Witnesses also do not want any to be annihilated in the coming conflagration called Armageddon. They urge all mankind to read God's word daily and take in accurate knowledge of God and his Son. We love people.

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  Monthly Complaint

  by comforter in

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  the watchtower has said that those who deviate from the faith only seek to pull down and do not try to build up.

  they have no positive teachings.

  only negative ones.

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  AF

  I am not going to discuss your moral ineptitude in this place. Don't take that as a sign that I have no evidence concerning your illicit conduct. I just refuse to stoop to your level. You know what I am talking about and so does God. I can also say that you are not honest either. For example, have you ever emailed Witnesses and told them that you are a faithful jw when you were not? Please answer truthfully.

  Another problem of yours is that you are trying to find God on your own, with your so-called superior intellect. Life does not work that way. You are on earth and God is in heaven. Don't get too big for ya britches.

  The truth is that you would not be happy in any religion. The religious life requires one to submit to a higher authority than one's own thoughts. There is no perfect religion like you are looking for. Were you not a Bible Student at one time? What happened to that? Sounds like you are just bouncing around trying to find meaning. Now you agnostic going on atheist.

  And know that bad company spoils useful habits. Read Romans 1:20 and leave the atheists alone.

  A bit of advice from Comforter
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  Monthly Complaint

  by comforter in

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  the watchtower has said that those who deviate from the faith only seek to pull down and do not try to build up.

  they have no positive teachings.

  only negative ones.

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  Spice

  ???1- Do you beleive in the Bible and if so try to follow its practices????

  Yes and yes.

  ???2 - If you answered yes to question #1...why do you judge us..as in the Bible it says that judgement is for God alone. Do not judge others lest you be judged. So why do you judge us????

  Jesus' words must be read in context. I am not judging you. But recall that Jesus said you will know false prophets by their fruits. I am not being a judge but a fruit inspector.

  s-l-m

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  Monthly Complaint

  by comforter in

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  the watchtower has said that those who deviate from the faith only seek to pull down and do not try to build up.

  they have no positive teachings.

  only negative ones.

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  Writer

  ???What I believe is that the Bible is a book of writings that directs us toward a relationship with God. However, I also use "reason" when reading the Bible and realize that men wrote it. Yea, yea, the "Bible is inspired by God" (2 Tim 3:16). But even a man wrote that verse, and it does not say that everything written in the Bible is how God feels - for example the suppression of women.???

  I refuse to be distracted from the real issue. That is God's day of wrath and what the Bible says about it. The jws take the Bible seriously. The Bible says God's will avenge all wrongdoing and jws believe this promise. You seem to read the Bible with a pick and choose attitude. If a teaching taste good to your palate, you keep it. But otherwise you chuck it. Homey don't play dat.

  ???*** Rbi8 1 Timothy 2:8-12 *** 9 Likewise I desire the women to adorn themselves in well-arranged dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive garb, 10 but in the way that befits women professing to reverence God, namely, through good works.

  11 Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.

  If you see the Bible as a divine product, then these are Gods restrictions on the behavior and roles of women. Indeed if your religion, which continues to prohibit women from holding position, believes that this is how God feels about the matter, then wouldnt he also feel strongly about little girls and women with braided hair, gold jewelry, etc.? Explain why it is that verse 11 & 12 must be adhered to, yet not verse 9.???

  The verse must be read in its historical context and compared with what other scriptures say. If you do a little research, you will find that back in first century Asia Minor, women often tried to exaggerate their beauty by braiding their hair in extravagant ways and wearing excessive jewelry for the bling bling effect. Early Christians thought this way of life was wrong and jws do too. We apply 1 Timothy 2.

  ???Comforter, I bet you can't even tell me how the Bible came to be in its form. Can you? And, if you can, then please explain the irony of how it came to be in its form with your belief about religious leaders.???

  I know how people think the Bible came to be in its present form. Most usually point to Rome but that is a bunch of garbage'. Rome thinks the Apocrypha is canonical. They are wrong.

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  Monthly Complaint

  by comforter in

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  the watchtower has said that those who deviate from the faith only seek to pull down and do not try to build up.

  they have no positive teachings.

  only negative ones.

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  ???Your words are stereotypically JW-defender. You have no specifics, only sweeping generalities: "All criticisms are lies." "You only say negative things." And on and on.

  You cannot show why more than a small number of criticisms are lies.???

  I am not bound to show that criticisms here are lies because that was not what I complained about in my intro post. You want specifics? Look at the main page of this board and you will find plenty of evidence, if you want to see it, that you people (ex jw) are fixated on negativity.

  ???You know it, and so you don't even try. You're an intellectual coward, yet you tell yourself you're a brave fighter for righteousness. We see right through you because we've seen it all before. That's why we got away from a religion that produces people like you.???

  You got away from my religion because you could not live up to the moral life that it and the Bible requires. By the way, what is your current religious status, AF?

  ???Here's a specific criticism: Why does the Watchtower Society in principle say that two witnesses to separate instances of child molestation are sufficient to convict a molester before a judicial committee, but in practice rarely applies this rule? Can you answer specifically? Of course not.???

  Since you have already provided the answer, I will not bother to reply. Mr know it all.

  ???Only negative things, you say? Not so. Telling someone to get out of the way of an oncoming train is a very positive thing. At least, it is to normal people.???

  You better make sure you are not inadvertently directing someone to stand in front of a train. God's day of wrath is coming and you better be on the right side when it comes. Are you? Else you bout to git hit by train too.

  Comforter