our co shared a good scripture thought with the congregation.
he turn to revelation 16:13-14 and showed the congregation that satan and his demons have inspired unclean lying expressions that come from opposers of jehovah god.. the expressions are propaganda.
like other kinds of propoganda, the co said, these expressions are half-truths.
I think you got thangs backwards. When someone makes a claim, it is up to him to prove it. How is it my reposnibility to prove what Bowen said is untrue? Be for real. What if I assert that the moon is made of green cheese? Is it your job to prove it ain't so. Not really. The burden of proof is on the one making the assertion. Same with Bowen.
Comfort
our co shared a good scripture thought with the congregation.
he turn to revelation 16:13-14 and showed the congregation that satan and his demons have inspired unclean lying expressions that come from opposers of jehovah god.. the expressions are propaganda.
like other kinds of propoganda, the co said, these expressions are half-truths.
The lying propaganda spewed by Bill Bowen about 23.000 or more pedophiles among jws in us alone. Or the propaganda about Witnesses being pedophilie paradise.
Comforter
our co shared a good scripture thought with the congregation.
he turn to revelation 16:13-14 and showed the congregation that satan and his demons have inspired unclean lying expressions that come from opposers of jehovah god.. the expressions are propaganda.
like other kinds of propoganda, the co said, these expressions are half-truths.
Our CO shared a good scripture thought with the congregation. He turn to Revelation 16:13-14 and showed the congregation that Satan and his demons have inspired unclean lying expressions that come from opposers of Jehovah God.
The expressions are propaganda. Like other kinds of propoganda, the CO said, these expressions are half-truths. They contain some truth but also some lies.
I thought about the molestation charges against Jehovah's people. There is some truth to the reports. But the lying propaganda against the organization is only partly true. What comes out of opposer's mouths is like croaking unclean frogs. It is demon inspired. Will you shun lying propaganda? Won't you do so today?
Comforter
most or all people are good.
actually, humans are basically evil.
the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.
Read and weep, HS.
HS: What does this mean?<<<<<
Comforter: The Bible writer is telling you that those who are now wicked have been perverted since the womb. Keep in mind that he is talking about his enemies, ones who have shown themselves hardened toward God. The principle applies to every opposer of God though. Ps 51:5 and Isaiah 48:8.
most or all people are good.
actually, humans are basically evil.
the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.
HS
I fail to understand why you did not just get your Gesenius off the shelf and quote from it instead of dancing around it, as you did. As for your citation, it does not make invalid, anything I said earlier.
<<<The NIV Commentary says:
from birth....from the womb, Their corrupt ways are not sporadic; they act in accordance with their their nature ( see 51:5 ) Here reference is to the wicked, the author does not make a general statement about all people as in the case of Gen 6:5 etc.
If you scroll back to Comforter's posts you will notice he is at variance with this view and has attempted to cover the issue in verbal pastry....lol>>>
Did I not say that David was talking about his enemies and not talking about mankind in general? But I said the principle applies to all men in a general sense. What don't you get about what I said clearly?
most or all people are good.
actually, humans are basically evil.
the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.
HS
Do what you want. I cannot help it if you know nothing about systematic theology, Fregean philosophy of language or the process of abstracting from phantasmal matter to form. Sometimes a little humility never hurts, sir. You may know a minimal amount of Hebrew. You know nothing about the areas of expertise I just mentioned and you know it. You probably don't know squat about the Septuagint Bible either.
Good day from
Comforter
most or all people are good.
actually, humans are basically evil.
the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.
Dear crazy
Jesus referred to himself in the third person and he is not God.
Spice
If you go back to earlier posts, you see that I said all humans are inclined to be evil. That includes me, governing body and you. So I know governing body or the founders of jw not perfect. But using your reasoning, I would not trust my sweet mama, myself, my papa or anybody else to provide good guidance. What I do is compare what governing body say to what Bible say and go from there.
Edited by - comforter on 15 July 2002 14:24:52
most or all people are good.
actually, humans are basically evil.
the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.
???The point which you have consistently missed to the point where I believe it is deliberate, is that the Hebrew word for 'sinful' and 'wicked' are totally different both in meaning and grammatical use.???
Sinn = sense. Bedeutung = referent. Then a third aspect to this issue is the second-level theological abstraction formulated from the data being prescinded from, sir. What you fail to see is that a word can have a Sinn which differs from the Bedeutung (which is not a grammatical use, as you say) and the unpacked amplification or theological expansion on the word. If you knew anything about systematic theology, you would grasp the sense of what was just said, with alacrity. Since you do not, you don't. By the way, my use of Bedeutung is consistent with the Fregean spin on the word in 'ber Sinn und Bedeutung' of 1892.
???In Psalm 58:3 as you noted yourself, the Hebrew 'sinful' is not being used, yet you ascribe the Psalmist as having meant 'sinful'. What are you playing at???
Let me give you a theological example. Theologians will define OT concept of sin as a breach of the covenant.
They are not saying that the Hebrew word for sin MEANS a breach of the covenant. Only that a second-level abstraction of the semantic data leads one to conclude that sin = breach of Berit. Now do you got it?
Edited by - comforter on 15 July 2002 14:19:3
most or all people are good.
actually, humans are basically evil.
the bible says that man be inclined toward what is bad from his youth up.
HS
I did not say that the Hebrew rendered wicked is the one for sinful. You are getting Sinn und Bedeutung mixed up, sir. While you might be right about the Hebrew word when it comes to der Sinn, I think you fail to understand the Bedeutung of the word. You also overlook the fact that a theological second-level "unpacking" of das Wort may expand upon and amplify die Bedeutung. You are myopic on this point.
The psalmist did believe that men are sinful from conception and immersed in error from the womb. Instead of crowing about what Gesenius says, let us see some proof from you that contained in the source itself. What exactly are Gesenius' comments on this passage? Are you a Hebrew expert?
Comforter
bp: tell me about the database.
how do you justify keeping a list of paedophiles, men in some cases who have confessed to paedophilia but you have not reported them to an authority.
what justification is there for you to keep that?
Great answers from brother Jaracz. Go brother! When Satan's minions try to hem ye in, turn the tables on em!
Comforter
