ok one of the only two peopel who don't know i haven't gone to meetings in 3 years sent me this remark: , i can't believe how all this time has gone by.
the one good thing about getting older like this is that it brings us that much closer to the new system.
i need a witty reply.
i can't believe how all this time has gone by. the one good thing about getting older like this is that it brings us that much closer to the new systemWhen I read that sentence it really struck me! Your obvious disbelieve in things that really happened and obvious believe in things that have not......
does anyone see a coorelation between recent changes in the wts, the "urgency" at hand that they keep saying, and the coming of 2012 prophecies of the mayan (end of an era and the coming of kulkulcan) and other cultures that center on that date?
i often wonder if the gb are going outside the bounds of the bible and looking at other cultures to verify or solidify that the end is nigh.
thoughts?
No I did not notice. I cannot recall to have read any of your posts. But I went into overdrive and read some and I must say, it was fun doing that. You raise some very good issues.
Cheers
Borgia
does anyone see a coorelation between recent changes in the wts, the "urgency" at hand that they keep saying, and the coming of 2012 prophecies of the mayan (end of an era and the coming of kulkulcan) and other cultures that center on that date?
i often wonder if the gb are going outside the bounds of the bible and looking at other cultures to verify or solidify that the end is nigh.
thoughts?
Sinis,
Peculiar avatar, btw.....why did you choose it?
But in order to remain on topic: Daystar said:
by implication that would mean that the WBTS is not necessarily the origin of "true" teachings regarding "then end"
Quite an understatement I would say. Given the oringin of their teachings, I would be inclined to say it is not an implication (in the sense of inference, neccesary consequence without saying clearly) but a 100% fitting description.
i haven't been around jwd much these past few months, mainly because i've been busy with many other different things.
that is all the bait.
most people know that the jehovah's witnesses are not there "just to talk about the bible".
When we were discussing here on jwd the change from a public tower to a private and public tower I recall in general the arguments were connected to the WTS becomming more down on keeping pace and line for the R&F.
Although I have witnesses the changes you have put them in a very interesting light......
Thanks Drew.
Cheers
Borgia
hi everyone i am new to the forum and i was raised a jw in the seattle area.
it does strike me fascinating that after 15 years of not being an active witness that i do feel a strong fraternity type connection to this group, and anyone i may come in contact with that was one.
it's is the most powerful,profound association that if you connect with another x-jw you feel like family.
Hi Divanvegas,
Good to have you here. Happy posting!
Cheers
Borgia
hi.. just wondering what made you take the final leap out of the org?
was it doctrinal in that certain things just didnt add up or was it because of the actions of people in the org.
that made you leave?
Positively doctrinal. It's the social that kept me on the inside. I figure it will be just a matter of time before I get asked the right question to butt me out.
Cheers
Borgia
often times, at work, my mind will wander.
just the other day, out of the blue, i began to recall a trip my family took down south, to visit my mom's relatives.
i don't remember what instigated it, but my aunt, my dad, and my oldest brother got into a spirited debate about whether or not people would still have sex in the new order.. my dad, after rather awkwardly pointing out how much he enjoyed sex, said he didn't think it would be done away with completely, at least he hoped not.
I like the outlook of 70 virgins better......
Cheers
Borgia
justia themis made a few comments in the re: why jehovah witnesses teach a more biblical faith thread, of probably a trolling trolon, about the ovse.
just to correct a few things.
the warshaw pact was the counter to nato and dissolved.
Poztate,
Thanks for pointing out a broken link. here's a link to the website with all contributing NGO, including the European Association of JW etc.
On the OCE main page go to search field and enter:"implementation meeting". First result is the Human dimension implementation meeting. click on that link. Click on the next page on the right hand side: documents by source and go to the section NGO. Look for anything JW related.
Cheers
Borgia
comments you will not hear at the 04-27-08 wt study (march 15, 2008, pages 3-7 )(balanced).
review comments will be in red.
q 18. why is a yielding spirit appropriate within the family?
Hi Blondie,
Yes, I really think it boils down to the question whether or not one feels a personal responsibility or wants to yield to become part of a bigger scheme.
This morning at the meeting I was reflecting on that text in Exodus where it says that the motive for a slave who could become free but wanted to stay, was out of love. Love all right, but the context shows that it was not out of love for his master, as some commentators at the hall claimed but because he loved his wife and children to much. The wife was given to him while in bondage. The children were born to him in bondage. When leaving upon his justified release, he had to leave alone, leaving his loved ones behind. Of course, an owner could have said, you know what, you're a brother, you've served me very well for these 7 years , take you wife and children and be about your business. Instead, he was lured into bondage for the rest of his life.....
I married while in "bondage" to the WTS. I got my children while in "bondage" to the WTS. Given the paragraph and topic in relation to this text, I could not help escape the feeling that they seem to be indicating that it is better to be in bondage to the WTS/FDS as divinely constituted authority than be free, even if it is justified on all counts, better to be in bondage with the ones you love than to be free and start over all alone. They seem to be indicating that letting your love for wife and kids prevail over basic and higher esteemed rights as freedom of choice, religion, conscience,etc, means to serve God better because I would yield to divinely constituted authority.
However, some questions remain to be answered: how far am I willing to go? And when? I have not answered these questions right now, but they seem to be in-escapable at present.
I had 79 points on the apostate quiz. I think that if I'd take that quiz in a months time I will have gone from hard core apostate to son of destruction, no doubt!
Cheers
Borgia
comments you will not hear at the 04-27-08 wt study (march 15, 2008, pages 3-7 )(balanced).
review comments will be in red.
q 18. why is a yielding spirit appropriate within the family?
1 John 5:2 is always quoted alone, not in context. see 4:19-21 for what the commandments of God entails....exactly field circus and stuff, clearly laid out in the bible...not...
#7:
This is counter Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you not to obey the truth, to whom before your eyes Jesus Christ was written before among you crucified?
The disciples of James stumbled about the freedom of the Antioch christians.....Did they yield? This is Paul's own recollection:
Gal 2:1 Then through fourteen years, I again went up to Jerusalem with Barnabas, also taking Titus with me.
Gal 2:2 And I went up according to revelation. And I put before them the gospel which I proclaim in the nations, but privately to the ones seeming to be
pillars, lest I run, or I ran, into vanity.
Gal 2:3 But not even Titus, the one with me, a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
Gal 2:4 But it was because of those false brothers stealing in, who stole in to spy on our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, they desiring to enslave us,
Gal 2:5 to whom not even for an hour did we yield in subjection, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Gal 2:6 But from those seeming to be something (of what kind they were then does not matter to me; God does not accept the face of man), for those seeming to
be important conferred nothing to me;
Gal 2:7 but on the contrary, seeing that I have been entrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter to the circumcision,
#12: Even when divinely constituted authority requests things contrary to bible principle as understood by the individual....it may not be executed- Rom: 14
Rom 14:22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Blessed is the one not condemning himself in what he approves.
Rom 14:23 But the one doubting, if he eats, he has been condemned, because it is not of faith; and whatever is not of faith is sin.
#13:
What id divinely constituted authority (I.e. Body of elders) demands us of our undergarment? Should we give it, yield or not? So if needed we should be giving our last cent to the society when and if demanded. (example: nov 1 WT about estate planning and donations)
Q14:
So, James and his bunch was actually an apostate? The Christian brothers who emphasised the importance of circumcision, to which the Galatians yielded (authority) ex Gal 2? No wonder Paul had kind words to spare for them..... Q15:
Scriptural principles that apply .......BOE letter that applies........
Q16:
In all his activity, a Christian elder should strive to uphold theocratic order ....as described above: divinely constituted authority = FDS.....meaning...... 1)FDS says so, so yield
2)elders say so, so yield
3)husband, father, mother says so, so yield
4)older person say so, so yield
There we have the freedom to which Jesus called us..........gone!(Gal 3:1)
(I Ki. 22:19-23 ) a spirit of falsehood in all his prophets: 400 prophets had it wrong only one (who was not liked by Ahab) was right.......Ahab was killed by accident....not purpose......as the context states......how does that relate to the whole meaning of the tale...
Jehovah..DEUT 32:4
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock; His work is perfect. For all His ways are just, a God of faithfulness, and without evil; just and upright is He.
....resorts to lies, falsehood? Hmmmmm!? And we just learned at the C.A. that he has no need for disguise and secrecy.......so it seems....
So, as a conclusion it boils down to: it is okay to yield to request from HQ to lie under oath because it means to yield to divinely constituted authority....
Cheers
Borgia
